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[Jatix]

I feel like one of the many problems with match making is how the map picking works. The maps arnt all fair and equal, and theres not really any way to make sure you get the maps you want/ that work for your mech in casual play (aka your team might not have the coordination to make brtawl mechs work on polar). And for match making what this means is the player whos not supposed to suck is now in a srm boat on polar and gets dunked. If you have a few more people like that on your team you have broken match making thats unfair from the start. While half the enemy team is lrm boats camping. Combine that with the sad excuse for team coordination most of the time, and its a stomp as usual. So it can cause serious problems. And not to mention just make the game less fun in general when you pick your brawl mech and get polar and frozen 75% of the time. Then switch to lrm's because your fed up with them and then get solaris city. I dont have to win to have fun but lately its getting really hard to have fun matches in general.

I have 2 possible solutions.

1- Check boxes for the maps you can get. And then the match maker can do stuff to check and pick people for the game only if they have that map selected. Obviously this would get rid of the map picking once in game. and it could have a notice that if you uncheck certain maps your match making will be longer. I'd rather not get a game than get polar and frozen 24/7. Half the time I sit for 10 mins before fighting anyway. Id rather wait several mins for good match making on a fun map.

2- Overhaul the maps to actually be fun and balanced for everyone. Instead of people voting for the map that heavily biased towards their mech and screwing the guy who didnt get their map. This would be good anyway because right now the maps most picked are the coward camp maps, so it would promote actually playing in a half fun fashion.

Until then I can dream of a day where this game is consistently fun again. Since yesterday haev got 9 losses 1 win. And the 1 win was a no competition stomp. Match making really needs some work bad. And psr is a joke too but thats for another thread lol.

But note this isnt really a salt warrior thread, its an ideas on how to improve the game thread.

Also if you have any better / alternate ideas feel free to post them.

[SFC174]

I have long been in favor of being able to opt out of certain modes/matches. And if the game were at its peak population, maybe that would be ok (and it would improve game play/enjoyment). Unfortunately, while I'd love to be able to do this, it simply isn't realistic with the current game population size. So I've stopped asking for it.

In terms of maps, balancing them is on going issue, but you have to make a choice. You can pick mechs that will do well on most maps, or you can pick mechs that favor one type of map over another and live with the advantages/disadvantages. Mind you, even a hot clan laser vomit mech can do very well on Terra Therma or the other hot maps (I have several 1000 dmg games on Terra Therma is my lasvom HBR) as long as the pilot exercises discipline and situational awareness. It just may not be as fun as firing nonstop with impunity like on Polar Highlands.

As you alluded to, the real issue to be addressed is player rankings and the MM. Map choices and balance are pretty far down the list compared to that rat's nest.

[JC Daxion]

the easiest change they can do is drop map selection from 4 to 3.. It would give us more variety. The obviously want to keep map voting and many players like playing the same maps.. So a simple compromise should happen.

[Jatix]

SFC174, on 18 June 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

I have long been in favor of being able to opt out of certain modes/matches. And if the game were at its peak population, maybe that would be ok (and it would improve game play/enjoyment). Unfortunately, while I'd love to be able to do this, it simply isn't realistic with the current game population size. So I've stopped asking for it.

In terms of maps, balancing them is on going issue, but you have to make a choice. You can pick mechs that will do well on most maps, or you can pick mechs that favor one type of map over another and live with the advantages/disadvantages. Mind you, even a hot clan laser vomit mech can do very well on Terra Therma or the other hot maps (I have several 1000 dmg games on Terra Therma is my lasvom HBR) as long as the pilot exercises discipline and situational awareness. It just may not be as fun as firing nonstop with impunity like on Polar Highlands.

As you alluded to, the real issue to be addressed is player rankings and the MM. Map choices and balance are pretty far down the list compared to that rat's nest.

Ya this is true. Although I think that slower match making could be better than fast and terrible matches. aka what we get now. Guaranteeing I dont get polar is enough for me to wait several mins lol. But I dont think it would be nearly that slow.

an idea I had a while back that I just remembered is they could also have map type selections. so they could lump the maps together in chunks. So like polar and frozen city and any others those types of players usually like, hpg and mining and maybe crimson, that kind of thing. The super hot ones like caustic, terra and tourmaline. Would at least help it split the player base less.

they could also have it show what % of people pick what map. That way you can see oh nobody wants to play the cold maps so I'll pick the other if you want fast matches.

[OmniFail]

How about remove map and game mode selection to stimulate build diversity and diminish the chances of roll stomps that are caused by builds focused around narrow strategies.

[LowSubmarino]

Never understood this argument.

You are complaining about your own choice of weapons you put into a specific mech.

If your build sucks hard ony many maps....why use those weapons? Why use that build?

A team with only brawl weapons can annihilate a team with only lrms. Use terrain, use teams ecm and just get close to them. Kill spotters.

Lrms are pathetically weak and easy to counter.

Stop wandering about aimlessly.

Kill spotters.

Kill spottters.

Kill uavs.

Kill uavs.

Ez win

Oh, and prolly the single most powerful start in mwo:

Stop randomly splititng all the time like übernoobs. communicate and try to udnerstand the following concept. Its quite easy. i think even children easily understand it.

The concept goes like this:

Many mechs and many guns dominate, terminate and destroy few mechs and few guns.

Just keep that in mind all the time espcially when you wanne randomly split of and die horribly. Just rembember that and you will win all the time on any map.

Edited by LowSubmarino, 19 June 2018 - 05:03 AM.

[Nameless King]

Random maps and Modes Is the only fair way to go. Then learn to play then maps, done all fixed.

[LowSubmarino]

Nameless King, on 19 June 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Random maps and Modes Is the only fair way to go. Then learn to play then maps, done all fixed.

Nah.

Sorry, but some maps (forest colony) or modes (escort) just suck hard.

Only very few ppl (forest colony) or no ppl (escort) wanne play certain maps and modes.

Random maps and modes would mean we would have to play those bad maps or escort way more often.

Im striclty against random maps and modes. I wanne play the good maps. that jsut way more fun.

[Sjorpha]

Remove voting, random maps and modes ftw.

[Besh]

LowSubmarino, on 19 June 2018 - 05:31 AM, said:

Nah.

Sorry, but some maps (forest colony) or modes (escort) just suck hard.

Only very few ppl (forest colony) or no ppl (escort) wanne play certain maps and modes.

Random maps and modes would mean we would have to play those bad maps or escort way more often.

Im striclty against random maps and modes. I wanne play the good maps. that jsut way more fun.

Dont blame the Map/Mode, blame the people playing it . Its neither Forest's fault that too many people do the same thing over and over again, and keep failing ( = insanity ), nor is the same Escorts fault .

The best example for my point literally is Polar....I can not count the amount of salt and complains about that Map 'coz "LURMZ!", all the while wayyy too many people simply stand on top of ridges , keep walking across open terrain, get spotted and subsequently LRM'd, then TRUN AROUND OF ALL THINGS to try and run away, die to LRMs -> Map sucks .

BS .

Stay low, stay in cover dont walk across open terrain, dont stand around on ridges . Dont stay stationary . Keep heads on swivels . Do not run away from LRMs, you need to find a way to close in .

And its similar with most everything else the Game offers in terms of Maps/Modes . People have no clue playing them, do the same, failing thing over and over again, are somehow simply unable to just use their Brains and do something different, and Map/Mode sucks XD .

Edited by Besh, 19 June 2018 - 05:59 AM.

[Jatix]

LowSubmarino, on 19 June 2018 - 04:59 AM, said:

Never understood this argument.

You are complaining about your own choice of weapons you put into a specific mech.

If your build sucks hard ony many maps....why use those weapons? Why use that build?

A team with only brawl weapons can annihilate a team with only lrms. Use terrain, use teams ecm and just get close to them. Kill spotters.

Lrms are pathetically weak and easy to counter.

Stop wandering about aimlessly.

Kill spotters.

Kill spottters.

Kill uavs.

Kill uavs.

Ez win

Oh, and prolly the single most powerful start in mwo:

Stop randomly splititng all the time like übernoobs. communicate and try to udnerstand the following concept. Its quite easy. i think even children easily understand it.

The concept goes like this:

Many mechs and many guns dominate, terminate and destroy few mechs and few guns.

Just keep that in mind all the time espcially when you wanne randomly split of and die horribly. Just rembember that and you will win all the time on any map.

1- I want to play a mech I like and think is cool or fun. Not be forced to play whats currently in the meta to not randomly get screwed by the maps. And thats how the game should be.

2-Your implying that the match maker works and I'm going to have a competitive team who wants to work together to not get stomped as a brawl comp on polar lol. sometimes your team is great and it works. But a lot of the time its just the end and its incredibly boring.

Edited by Jatix, 19 June 2018 - 09:52 AM.

[Nameless King]

Jatix, on 19 June 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

1- I want to play a mech I like and think is cool or fun. Not be forced to play whats currently in the meta to not randomly get screwed by the maps. And thats how the game should be.

2-Your implying that the match maker works and I'm going to have a competitive team who wants to work together to not get stomped as a brawl comp on polar lol. sometimes your team is great and it works. But a lot of the time its just the end and its incredibly boring.

Then do it, I play what ever the hell mech I want and dont care what map I get. I learned to play what ever mech I want on what ever map gets picked and so can you.

I am not the best but I am far from the worst.