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[Tesunie]

thievingmagpi, on 17 July 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

you mean something which requires aiming, and something which does not?


I guess you don't know what that word means.


Brawling, SLS, ERLLS all require aiming.

Try again.


Again, you've shown you don't know what that word means.

Sooo... You can continue to say LRMs are bad in a brawl, but wont recognize that SLs are bad at long range combat?
"Double Standard: A rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups."

So. Once more. You are willing to compare LRMs in a brawl because...? But wont compare SLs to long range combat because...? Double standard? Yes. I believe that certainly does count.


I'm sorry. What does double standard mean again? Can you please enlighten me about this? Please. I'm curious as to how this isn't a double standard, and where my terminology is incorrect... I mean... What you've posted is matching the provided definition rather well so far. Maybe I just looked in the wrong spot for the definition?

[thievingmagpi]

Tesunie, on 17 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

Sooo... You can continue to say LRMs are bad in a brawl, but wont recognize that SLs are bad at long range combat?

Lasers can be aimed.

Tesunie, on 17 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

"Double Standard: A rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups."

Aiming good

Not aiming bad.

No double standard.

Tesunie, on 17 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

So. Once more. You are willing to compare LRMs in a brawl because...? But wont compare SLs to long range combat because...? Double standard? Yes. I believe that certainly does count.

Lasers can be aimed. Simple. That's a tough concept I guess for you. And by aiming I mean aiming, not moving the reticle over the big red box.

Tesunie, on 17 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

I'm sorry. What does double standard mean again? Can you please enlighten me about this? Please. I'm curious as to how this isn't a double standard, and where my terminology is incorrect... I mean... What you've posted is matching the provided definition rather well so far. Maybe I just looked in the wrong spot for the definition?

"Double Standard: A rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups."

[Anastasius Foht]

English knights blame peasant longbow archers for "no fair play" lmao

[thievingmagpi]

Anastasius Foht, on 17 July 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

English knights blame peasant longbow archers for "no fair play" lmao

English longbows required aim


(and 20+ years of training)

Edited by thievingmagpi, 17 July 2018 - 09:32 PM.

[Anastasius Foht]

thievingmagpi, on 17 July 2018 - 09:31 PM, said:

English longbows required aim


(and 20+ years of training)

Yeah, aim and skill, 2 things only brawler tonnel vision knight pilots have in MWO (impossible to have if you peasant archer ofc). You need to chill a bit, play some other game mby (where no lurms presented), you can burn out yourself answering every Lurm related post on forum for last 5 days

[thievingmagpi]

Anastasius Foht, on 17 July 2018 - 09:38 PM, said:

Yeah, aim and skill, 2 things only brawler tonnel vision knight pilots have in MWO (impossible to have if you peasant archer ofc).

Cool, you love mewling hyperbole. Nice.

Anastasius Foht, on 17 July 2018 - 09:38 PM, said:

You need to chill a bit, play some other game mby (where no lurms presented), you can burn out yourself answering every Lurm related post on forum for last 5 days

You sound upset.

[Anastasius Foht]

thievingmagpi, on 17 July 2018 - 09:43 PM, said:

You sound upset.

Cool, you love mewling hyperbole. Nice.

[thievingmagpi]

Another failed retort from the "lrms actually require skill" crowd. Neat.

[Anastasius Foht]

Another failed retort from the "LBX20 actually require skill" crowd. Neat.

[thievingmagpi]

Anastasius Foht, on 17 July 2018 - 09:57 PM, said:

Another failed retort from the "LBX20 actually require skill" crowd. Neat.

Of course, as is evident with these types, you'll never see them able to demonstrate where you made this claim. They'll just continue on acting incensed because it makes them feel good. Keep up the high skill gameplay.

[Anastasius Foht]

thievingmagpi, on 17 July 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Of course, as is evident with these types, you'll never see them able to demonstrate where you made this claim. They'll just continue on acting incensed because it makes them feel good. Keep up the high skill gameplay.

Why is it low skill to use one of MWO weapons? Cuz you say so? Its your personal biased opinion

[Sjorpha]

It's perfectly OK for different weapons to require different amounts of skill, or different sets of skills. So LRMs are easy to use but so what? Why is that even worth discussing?

As long as weapons are well balanced I don't care how hard or easy they are to use. It's fair for harder to use weapons to also have higher power peaks but that's already true in most cases.

[Faithsfall]

thievingmagpi, on 17 July 2018 - 09:31 PM, said:

English longbows required aim


(and 20+ years of training)

Sorry I know this is like gramma police but you are only half right, While I agree that to be able to draw a longbow properly took around 10 years to be able to do (hense why it was law from the age of 6 you were required to learn after church every sunday how to shoot your bow) the Longbow was a artillery weapon it was used on mass to fire roughly in a target area, it wasn't used as a precision weapon.

[Anastasius Foht]

Faithsfall, on 17 July 2018 - 10:48 PM, said:

Sorry I know this is like gramma police but you are only half right, While I agree that to be able to draw a longbow properly took around 10 years to be able to do (hense why it was law from the age of 6 you were required to learn after church every sunday how to shoot your bow) the Longbow was a artillery weapon it was used on mass to fire roughly in a target area, it wasn't used as a precision weapon.

Exactly, Longbows was used as AOE weapon, archers aim on side where enemy was and shot, noone trying to do headshots.

[Vellron2005]

Faithsfall, on 17 July 2018 - 10:48 PM, said:

Sorry I know this is like gramma police but you are only half right, While I agree that to be able to draw a longbow properly took around 10 years to be able to do (hense why it was law from the age of 6 you were required to learn after church every sunday how to shoot your bow) the Longbow was a artillery weapon it was used on mass to fire roughly in a target area, it wasn't used as a precision weapon.

That guy is right, give him a cookie!

Yup, longbows were used by the hundreds at once, making it literally rain arrows. Basically the precursor to LRMs..Precision had nothing to do with it. It was all about distance and how many arrows you can loose before you get charged. And that was why it took them 10 years to master it, cose' you had to be pretty strong to fully draw the bow.

They were only retired with the invention of the crossbow, which any peasant could pick up and use to put a hole in yer full plate.

[Faithsfall]

Vellron2005, on 17 July 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

That guy is right, give him a cookie!

Yup, longbows were used by the hundreds at once, making it literally rain arrows. Basically the precursor to LRMs..Precision had nothing to do with it. It was all about distance and how many arrows you can loose before you get charged. And that was why it took them 10 years to master it, cose' you had to be pretty strong to fully draw the bow.

They were only retired with the invention of the crossbow, which any peasant could pick up and use to put a hole in yer full plate.

Again sorry to be a pain but crossbows very much ran alongside longbows, Longbows became obsolete with the invention of gunpowder which as you said could punch through plate.

But with the invention of gunpowder armour started becoming obsolete on the battlefield so it could be argued that longbows could have started making a comeback on the battlefield as the archers could loose roughly 8 arrows per reload, this though didn't happen as ( If my history is correct ) King Henry VIII wanted to be seen as a modern ruler and he pushed for the latest military hardware.

Sorry for derailing this thread.

[Vellron2005]

Faithsfall, on 17 July 2018 - 11:49 PM, said:

Again sorry to be a pain but crossbows very much ran alongside longbows, Longbows became obsolete with the invention of gunpowder which as you said could punch through plate.

But with the invention of gunpowder armour started becoming obsolete on the battlefield so it could be argued that longbows could have started making a comeback on the battlefield as the archers could loose roughly 8 arrows per reload, this though didn't happen as ( If my history is correct ) King Henry VIII wanted to be seen as a modern ruler and he pushed for the latest military hardware.

Sorry for derailing this thread.

Sure longbows and crossbows co-existed and were both used, but the longbow was more-less pushed out of the primary use because crossbows were cheaper to make, and literally any untrained peasant could use them, while longbow archers were some of the most highly trained and most respected troops. (thus expensive)

In MWO terms, you could say Longbows are like LRMs while Crossbows are like MRM..

Edited by Vellron2005, 18 July 2018 - 12:33 AM.

[Dogstar]

Grus, on 17 July 2018 - 07:44 AM, said:

Maybe don't bring a slow LRM assault to solo QP... instead bring a faster heavy. My 2 cents.

See this is exactly the sort of negative crap that you keep bringing to the table, what you did was basically dismiss everything but meta mechs as worthy of playing.

This is why we need LRM buffs so that the meta gets fatter not thinner all the time!

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Quandoo, on 27 June 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

The recent patches made ECM mechs 300% more valuable and reduced others to 25%. LRMs are just tooooo cool to shoot. I can spam LRM80 nonstop in an assault and on top 2 large lasers. Try that with any other big weapon.

Go for more ammo explosion chance and add huge chance for PPCs to trigger it. Fix two crappy weapons with a single strike !

than not stand in open ...cover helps you or not play the slowest assault when you new in game and not can handle the Mechanics ...thats like a Aircraftcarrier thats crys ...F**** torpedos and submarines and swim without supportfleet..im hate all this "me me me ...this weapons kill me to fast " than use other tactics or Mechbuilds ...an dnot come with a Knife to a longrange shooting , use the Knife by a Saloonshooting

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 18 July 2018 - 02:27 AM.

[El Bandito]

Sjorpha, on 17 July 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

It's perfectly OK for different weapons to require different amounts of skill, or different sets of skills. So LRMs are easy to use but so what? Why is that even worth discussing?

As long as weapons are well balanced I don't care how hard or easy they are to use. It's fair for harder to use weapons to also have higher power peaks but that's already true in most cases.

I agree in principle. There should be different skill floor for weapons so everyone can have fun. Main issue is current LRM is not fun for those who are doing the shooting, or receiving the damage. As I wrote in another thread, PGI should make LRMs true fire-and-forget, and reduce the tracking strength. That way lurmers don't have to keep the locks and focus on other things, while evading LRMs can be done more easily for others.

Old MW4 Ranger, on 18 July 2018 - 02:15 AM, said:

than not stand in open ...cover helps you or not play the slowest assault when you new in game and not can handle the Mechanics ...thats like a Aircraftcarrier thats crys ...F**** torpedos and submarines and swim without supportfleet..im hate all this "me me me ...this weapons kill me to fast " than use other tactics or Mechbuilds ...an dnot come with a Knife to a longrange shooting , use the Knife by a Saloonshooting

Yep, and pugs really need to learn to mount AMS when LRMs are abundant.