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#1 Kurbeks

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:45 AM

Just gona move this here:


How good does game run currently on Ryzen CPU's. Let's say midrange. 1600/2600x.

Thanx!

#2 NARC BAIT

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:48 AM

1600X, SMT off, all cores @ 4.1, paired with a 1060 GTX, using a g-sync hack to lock 60 FPS, if it dips to 48 for 1/3 of a second, I'm pretty unhappy ... but it doesnt happen often ...

the 2600 should basically be about the same, but be easier on most chips, and in the hands of a good overclocker, probably push all cores to 4.3 ghz without much stress, with the potential to run the memory a little bit faster, assuming your memory supports it ....

I wouldnt upgrade from a 1600 to a 2600, there just isnt enough improvement between them, for a chip thats likely to be vastly superseded in 12 months time ...

#3 Kurbeks

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:50 AM

Thanx. No looking to upgrade from 1055T, which runs abysmal on few maps and if more than few mechs show up on screen.

#4 NARC BAIT

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 11:17 AM

the RAM you pair with ryzen can have a serious impact on how enjoyable things are .... you want something rated for 3200 mhz, and ideally a samsung B die ... the first gen should be able to get 3200 stable, and the second up to 3600 mhz ... and its generally easier if you dont fill the memory slots ... two sticks are a heap easier to make fast than 4 cheap ones ...

#5 Yeonne Greene

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 11:19 AM

DDR4 3333 at CAS 17 seems to be the sweet spot. This is for the new APUs, but the results are likely the same for the Ryzen 2600 and 2700.

#6 Sephrus Shanadar

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:03 PM

If you want to play with max frames get an intel. Ryzen will do a decent job on the game if you OC to about 3.8+ and run 3200+ ddr4 but you will get a much better experience in game with an i5 8400 and stock 2400 ddr4. The game is just simply not optimised for AMD cups.

#7 NARC BAIT

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:24 PM

View PostSephrus Shanadar, on 29 June 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

If you want to play with max frames get an intel. Ryzen will do a decent job on the game if you OC to about 3.8+ and run 3200+ ddr4 but you will get a much better experience in game with an i5 8400 and stock 2400 ddr4. The game is just simply not optimised for AMD cups.

a dude says he needs to buy transport from A to B ... he really wants a motorbike, but is asking about a scooter, because of the initial price difference .... along comes another dude, says, "hey, clearly, you want a Ferrari, because thats what goes fastest ".... regardless of the fact that there is no road around, that will allow you to plant your foot to the floor for more than 3 seconds, and completely ignoring the cost differential between the two options ....

and as for the game not being optimised for AMD, the game is not optimised, for any CPU, and theres plenty of people with intel chips, still getting crappy performance .... dont go blaming AMD for PGI's *********** of a code bomb

#8 Yeonne Greene

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 08:06 PM

View PostSephrus Shanadar, on 29 June 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

If you want to play with max frames get an intel. Ryzen will do a decent job on the game if you OC to about 3.8+ and run 3200+ ddr4 but you will get a much better experience in game with an i5 8400 and stock 2400 ddr4. The game is just simply not optimised for AMD cups.


Core i7-4930k here. Still drops frames. It's just MWO.

#9 GweNTLeR

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 11:46 PM

Just recently I was choosing between i7-8700 and 2700. Chose the first because it was cheaper even with Z mobo (surprise). Still having lag spikes. Just pick the color you like more or is cheaper.

#10 Alexandra Hekmatyar

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 04:20 AM

I have the Ryzen 2600x upgraded from the FX-8350.
Difference is huge for me cause I was playing on low graphics the entire time and still got lag spikes from 50 to 20 and sometimes even 10 frames.
Since I upgraded I can play Mechwarrior on max setting in faction play and it will be around 60-40 frames and barely drops lower.
But who knwos if I find my balls I might actually have the guts to upgrade my Bios and it might work even better. :P

Oh also I have a MSI 480 8GB and 16GB Ram 2,666Mhz.

#11 Kurbeks

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 07:19 AM

Hello!

Thanx for answers everyone. And yes i need CPU not just for MWO and as this is only game which is badly optizmied for modern CPU's so i asked about ryzen's.

Also from that article anything above 2400/2667 gives very low perf. gains. Thus no point of getting 3333 mem.

View PostAlexandra Hekmatyar, on 01 July 2018 - 04:20 AM, said:

I have the Ryzen 2600x upgraded from the FX-8350. Difference is huge for me cause I was playing on low graphics the entire time and still got lag spikes from 50 to 20 and sometimes even 10 frames. Since I upgraded I can play Mechwarrior on max setting in faction play and it will be around 60-40 frames and barely drops lower. But who knwos if I find my balls I might actually have the guts to upgrade my Bios and it might work even better. :P Oh also I have a MSI 480 8GB and 16GB Ram 2,666Mhz.


Yes understandable. Currently on 1055T/ R9 280. Gives normal frames Solaris/scouting. Around 25-40 in pug play depending on map. Solaris/Forest/River city gives bad frames. FP on 12 vs 12 around Omega gives sub 10 FPS. Also GPU utilizatoin is at best at 50-70% at 1920x1080 :)

#12 Yeonne Greene

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 08:03 AM

It's +4% to +5% if you go with DDR4-3333; I wouldn't call it insignificant. It's going to have a larger impact the more threads your program uses, especially if those threads are communicating between core modules (Infinity Fabric connects two modules on an 8-core part, IIRC, and faster memory means faster Infinity Fabric).

#13 Sephrus Shanadar

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 03:59 PM

Lemme tell you I am all for AMD. I have a 1700 set up that I completely love. I am pulling the trigger on a 2700X next month to replace the 1700. But I feel that it would be wrong for me not to point out the obvious. For the same money(or less) intel SMASHES AMD in mwo. 1080p using a gtx 1080 my 1700 maybe averaged 90 fps with dips to the 40s. Same everything but running my 8600K OC to just 4.6 and I'm banging out 170 avg fps and rock bottoms in the 80s. I'm not saying AMD is bad, just that it's bad at MWO, to the point that my old i7 2600 got similar avg fps and 1% lows.

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 04:17 PM

View PostKurbeks, on 01 July 2018 - 07:19 AM, said:

Hello!

Thanx for answers everyone. And yes i need CPU not just for MWO and as this is only game which is badly optizmied for modern CPU's so i asked about ryzen's.

Also from that article anything above 2400/2667 gives very low perf. gains. Thus no point of getting 3333 mem.



Yes understandable. Currently on 1055T/ R9 280. Gives normal frames Solaris/scouting. Around 25-40 in pug play depending on map. Solaris/Forest/River city gives bad frames. FP on 12 vs 12 around Omega gives sub 10 FPS. Also GPU utilizatoin is at best at 50-70% at 1920x1080 Posted Image


the First gen RyZen chips are more "sensitive" to memory than the 2nd gen 2XXX series it seems from reviews.

My 1600X running 4.05 on all cores with a tiny AIO cooler saw good benefits when a combination of bios updates and incessant tweaking got it to run over 3200.

#15 NARC BAIT

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Posted 02 July 2018 - 07:46 AM

having the right memory will lift those 1% lows ... setting the threading up alternate to the default will probably lift it again ... getting the ryzen up to 4 ghz is a must for gaming .... on earlier bios's for my board I could get the ram to run @ 3600 mhz, slightly unstable if hammered super hard ... while stability may have increased, default memory timings have not ...

if I dip to 48 fps for more than 2/10's of a second, I get pretty unhappy ... above 2K resolution, with some details turned up way high, like terrain distance .... errr, invisible walls ...

isnt the 8th gen intel still vulnerable to spectre on a hardware level ... and like, they knew, but released the chip anyway ...

#16 NARC BAIT

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 05:19 AM

so today I spent AU $369 on getting the 'right' ram for the ryzen ... didnt play many games of MWO, but I certainly had less moments of annoyance today ...

#17 Sephrus Shanadar

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:28 AM

View PostNARC BAIT, on 04 July 2018 - 05:19 AM, said:

so today I spent AU $369 on getting the 'right' ram for the ryzen ... didnt play many games of MWO, but I certainly had less moments of annoyance today ...


What kit did you end up getting? I've been pleased with my flareX 3200 samsung 16gb kit but I will be looking for something 3600ish for my 2700X.

#18 NARC BAIT

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:04 PM

I had an Samsung E-die Corsair Vengeance LPX 4000 mhz ( 2x4 ).... which I only ever managed to stabilise at 3533 mhz with timings of 16-17-17-35-52-2 .... I've seen benchmarks for other people where they managed to get this kit stable with Intel 8th gen CPU's, at speeds between 3866 and 4066, with a 25%-50% reduction on latency ... I've spent a year with this kit, constantly trying to get one more inch out of it ... and I run it right next to the edge of stability .... with later bios's I ended up getting better throughput numbers on lower frequencies with tighter timings, 14-16-16-32-52-2 @ 3200 ...

but I dont believe the ryzens integrated memory controller ( more specifically the silicone in the chip that I have ) is really capable of going that fast ... I've seen people hitting 3733, and claiming stability there, but I think the 'general' average for the chips is 3466 mhz

I picked up a B-die Flare X ( 2x8 ), and am currently running it at 3533 mhz @ 16-16-16-38-56-2 ... I'm pretty confident that I will get 3600 mhz stabilised, but I havent got it yet ( 24 hrs ), and although the timings are not much different to the older kit the throughput numbers are better, read and write increase about 10%, but copy gets bigger boost at around 15%-25%, and the latency is lower at higher frequencies ... on the B-die

View PostSephrus Shanadar, on 04 July 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

I will be looking for something 3600ish for my 2700X.

your flare x kit is probably very capable of hitting 3600, @ CL15 or CL16 .... and I'd be very wary buying a 'better' (faster) kit, because most of them will actually be new-old-stock E-die chips, that were so overpriced initially that they sat on shelves for years, until they created the current memory crisis ...

if you havent manually tuned your flarex kit, then its almost certainly got room for improvement

I wont upgrade my 1600X to the 2XXX range ... theres just not enough improvement in it ... 300 mhz per core, over my overclock ...

#19 Nightbird

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:08 PM

I run the Ryzen 1700 at 4.0Ghz overclock, it handles MWO 60-100fps (60 in intense fights). My 1080 only shows 50% used so it's CPU limited. Intel is not necessarily better tho...

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:44 AM

Hello Everyone,

Just need some help with my optimizing the game.

My System:

AMD Ryzen 1700x at 3.9Ghz (Not Stable at 4Ghz)
TridentZ DDR4 3000mhz
Asus Hero IV Mobo
Game installed on my M.2 250gb

I can't get FPS over 45 on some maps and its 20-45fps in Solaris City. I only get 60fps when i'm in Frozen City or Polar Highlands.

I've been trying to figure it out since i got the ryzen quite awhile back.

Any suggestion on how i can fix this?





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