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[KoalaBrownie]

Escort, along with Conquest, are the two best game modes in the game as they force players to commit to mobile, dynamic combat situations at different parts of the map. As opposed to the typical game where both teams take up a position and then proceed to engage in long-range napoleonic warfare, shooting, standing, shooting until one team affixes bayonets for a charge.

While Conquest shows up regularly, Escort only seems to pop up once in every 25+ games and then is often not voted for. It really ought to come around more often.

Meanwhile a game mode like Skirmish ought really to be removed or reduced in frequency since the existence of Assault makes it redundant and its only difference is to discourage the use of light and medium mechs.

Edited by KoalaBrownie, 03 July 2018 - 12:20 PM.

[Spheroid]

Hell no. It should be deleted outright.

[Weeny Machine]

[Hal Greaves]

[Prototelis]

That game mode sucks.

[Spheroid]

Your observations don't reflect reality. I suggest you take a very close look at the movement of the group. It is more static, not less. Less flanking, less missile use, scouting pointless because of sensor net, etc. Escort results in many minutes of nothing followed by a unsatisfying conclusion. Time of first combat is slower than any other gamemode. Also the VIP is inept.

[KoalaBrownie]

Spheroid, on 03 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Your observations don't reflect reality. I suggest you take a very close look at the movement of the group. It is more static, not less. Less flanking, less missile use, scouting pointless because of sensor net, etc. Escort results in many minutes of nothing followed by a unsatisfying conclusion. Time of first combat is slower than any other gamemode. Also the VIP is inept.

You're obviously playing it wrong.

[Spheroid]

Why don't you type out a detailed response instead of an ad homiem. Also check the founder badge. I have seen a lot more of this game then you.

[VonBruinwald]

The thing is, he's right, it encourages more dynamic play and less poke-n-shoot.

The sad thing is, this isn't how the try-hard's want to play they want easy mode, high alphas and the security of being able to use the same tactics and meta-builds every game. Hide, wait for a teammate to get a lock, poke, shoot.

And as we all know, the try-hards cry loudest, Clan Crocodile Tears all the way.

Spheroid, on 03 July 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Also check the founder badge. I have seen a lot more of this game then you.

I suppose next you'll be heading to Jarl's list to compare stats....

[Nightbird]

I agree completely, Escort mode should be deleted from the game as the OP suggests.

[KoalaBrownie]

Spheroid, on 03 July 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Why don't you type out a detailed response instead of an ad homiem.

Detailed response to a bunch of statements without any supporting reasoning or examples? Your response doesn't warrant it but sure.

Sounds like whatever group you play in does one thing, as attackers you just pick ONE spot on the route and sit there, and wait, until they're forced to come to you. And as the defenders you probably just make a murderball, wait until the attackers launch their attack and then fight them. That's it.

But instead, as the attackers you can be harassing the flanks the whole way down the route, trying to pick defenders off or pull them away from the VIP while not fully committing and getting crushed. And as the defenders you can do the opposite, some guys escorting the VIP, other more mobile mechs forming a perimeter to respond to any potential attacks or spot a large attack coming before it arrives. And if the attackers are just sitting around then send out some mobile guys and flank THEM instead.


If the game mode is boring for you, then PLAY DIFFERENTLY. As a player, I'm almost always flanking regardless of anything I'm driving because many times a given moment in a battle ends up with two or three guys crammed in a spot trying to shoot two or three bad guys down some corridor of fire. And they're just going back and forth, in and out, shoot a bit, get shot a bit, rinse and repeat while LRM guys sit in the back even further and just click buttons. I was in such a game yesterday on Canyon, and even though I was in a slow *** KGC I flanked around the middle hill because it was literally one of the most boring engagements possible. I'd rather go around, get killed, then shoot heads popping out of cover like some lumbering version of COD.

That's also a reason why I hate River City. Because you can't flank on that map, there isn't enough room. If you go around you'll get spotted and cornered by 3-4 mechs and then boom you're done so instead, sit on your side of the river, shooting at the other side of the river, until 3-4 mechs decide to go across and either start a charge, or get killed and allow their team to be charged in turn.

Spheroid, on 03 July 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Also check the founder badge. I have seen a lot more of this game then you.

Put it on your resume, should land you a high paying job for sure

Edited by KoalaBrownie, 03 July 2018 - 01:59 PM.

[PurplePuke]

KoalaBrownie, on 03 July 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

Escort, along with Conquest, are the two best game modes in the game as they force players to commit to mobile, dynamic combat situations at different parts of the map. As opposed to the typical game where both teams take up a position and then proceed to engage in long-range napoleonic warfare, shooting, standing, shooting until one team affixes bayonets for a charge.

While Conquest shows up regularly, Escort only seems to pop up once in every 25+ games and then is often not voted for. It really ought to come around more often.

Meanwhile a game mode like Skirmish ought really to be removed or reduced in frequency since the existence of Assault makes it redundant and its only difference is to discourage the use of light and medium mechs.

I like Escort because it's something different in the game. But people don't like that; they like the same thing over and over and over.

Humans.

[Kanil]

In my last 300 games, Escort's showed up about 75 times. That's a bit less than the 100 times you'd expect if all was equal, but it's not vanishingly rare or anything.

The "problem" is that it only gets voted 1 in 10 times, which is to say it's not very popular. You should be asking PGI to improve the game mode so people are more willing to play it, rather than making it appear more often in map voting -- the latter just means "not escort" wins more than it already does.

[x Deathstrike x]

Lol no.... oh wait... HELL NO.
Escort is by far the worst game mode hands down.
There is a simple reason it is not played because people dont like it.
It even beats Incursion which is the 2nd worst game mode.

[- World Eater -]

You're mostly alone on this.

[Bud Crue]

The OP is correct.
We need more Escort, but for a somewhat different reason than I believe the OP has in mind.

See I've seen the stupid VIP get stuck in the buildings behind the citadel (obviously River City) on three separate occasions and I want to do something about it.

So whenever I have the misfortune to get this crap mode on that map, I announce over VOIP my intention to the red team to surrender the match to them if they will cooperate in my goal: To get get a screen shot of 23 (edit) player mechs all surrounding the moonwalking VIP stuck to a building...ala "Weekend at Bernie's", where the Atlas is Bernie. I want to take the picture then send it to PGI with the caption "Welcome to Escort! Wish it didn't suck!" or maybe "Love from River City, can we all kill the VIP now?" or something along those lines.

Alas, so far someone on my team or the reds ruins the attempt, but I figure eventually I will get a cooperative bunch and we can get the shot. Unfortunately (or not) I just can't bring myself to vote for escort to increase the chances to make it happen.

Edited by Bud Crue, 03 July 2018 - 02:16 PM.

[Prototelis]

Has nothing to do with playing differently, everything to do with the game mode playing like crap.

Escort is static because there are a set number of routes your team shouldn't be following anyways.

River city has plenty of flanking opportunities.

[KoalaBrownie]

Kanil, on 03 July 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

The "problem" is that it only gets voted 1 in 10 times, which is to say it's not very popular. You should be asking PGI to improve the game mode so people are more willing to play it, rather than making it appear more often in map voting -- the latter just means "not escort" wins more than it already does.

That hasn't been my experience at all. It's shown up far less and voted for about half of the time.

What do you feel is wrong about the game mode that needs improvement specifically?

[Prototelis]

ECM towers; Not only do these completely remove lock on weapons from play they give the opposing teams position away.

VIP; Holy ****, this guy does nothing. Why the hell am I taking this guy to a dropship when one just dropped me off? He just walks, often into a straight up wall of hurt. Thats a bad mechanic. They should switch it out with a Super Heavy with a **** ton of weapons, now thats something I would protect.

VIP routing; Makes no sense 90% of the time. Not using cover, slowly going over open terrain, can't even pick a path where there might be less reds.


Its a fun idea, but the implementation leaves a lot to be desired.

[TheBossOfYou]

KoalaBrownie, on 03 July 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

That hasn't been my experience at all. It's shown up far less and voted for about half of the time.

What do you feel is wrong about the game mode that needs improvement specifically?

They can improve it by removing the ECM towers and the VIP.