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[Tarogato]

I feel that "gg" is overused.
It has lost all meaning.
It is lazy, minimum effort.

I always consider it to be an insult. It says "i feel obliged to say something after this match, but you aren't worth my effort."


If you thought it was a good game, actually type out "good game", or "well played", or "fun match" or "close match"... even a simple "wp" is better, more original than a bland over-troped "gg."

[Lukoi Banacek]

Tarogato, on 27 July 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

I feel that "gg" is overused.
It has lost all meaning.
It is lazy, minimum effort.

I always consider it to be an insult. It says "i feel obliged to say something after this match, but you aren't worth my effort."


If you thought it was a good game, actually type out "good game", or "well played", or "fun match" or "close match"... even a simple "wp" is better, more original than a bland over-troped "gg."

So the onus of good sportsmanship if further on the originator bc an acronym offends you.

Much like even saying gg or good game in a one sided affair is assumed to be snark or inferred to be underhanded that's all a perception issue for the receiver. Folks inferring a meaning that's not necessarily demonstrated. It's just another form of being thin skinned really.

If someone says GG or good game, why assume it's meant in any other way than how its presented?

[Tarogato]

Lukoi Banacek, on 27 July 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

So the onus of good sportsmanship if further on the originator bc an acronym offends you.

"insult" or "offend" is perhaps too strong a word. What I mean to say is... I think "gg" is meaningless.

[Grus]

Tarogato, on 27 July 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

"insult" or "offend" is perhaps too strong a word. What I mean to say is... I think "gg" is meaningless.

when the hell did GG become a cliche?

[Lukoi Banacek]

Tarogato, on 27 July 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

"insult" or "offend" is perhaps too strong a word. What I mean to say is... I think "gg" is meaningless.

That's fair enough. How someone chooses to perceive a comment is very much a personal thing I suppose. Since I cannot tailor my comments to everyone's state of mind though, I tend to stay simple and direct.

[dervishx5]

I say "well played" but only if it was.

[James Argent]

Bob: "Hey Tim, how's it going today?"
Tim: "Well Bob, things are tough. I just got fired from my job, my wife is leaving me, and if you want I can list ten other things that make me want to explode."
Bob: "It sounds like you went 0 for 12. Good Going."

When a gesture becomes expected or 'rude not to do,' it becomes a meaningless pro-forma ritual. If every game is good, none of them are.

Kids on a sports field are being taught sportsmanship. Enforced repetition is how kids learn. But adults are supposed to be able to make good judgments about when it's appropriate to extend congratulations and when it's more polite to take advantage of the opportunity to say nothing. That is showing respect.

[Jack Booted Thug]

Flyby215, on 25 July 2018 - 06:25 PM, said:

What is the threshold for taking offense? 5-12? 4-12? 3-12?

In this day and age, the threshold for taking offense is having an internet connection or media access. That's all it takes.....

[Lukoi Banacek]

James Argent, on 27 July 2018 - 10:46 AM, said:

When a gesture becomes expected or 'rude not to do,' it becomes a meaningless pro-forma ritual. If every game is good, none of them are.

Is anyone here advocating for the pro forma use of "GG" though? I know I'm not. If I thought it was a GG, I use it. And I dont worry about the arbitrary line some folks decide to become incensed at for its use.

[Jon Gotham]

Flyby215, on 25 July 2018 - 06:25 PM, said:

Through force of habit, I gg every game, whether or not I personally or others felt it to be so.

The habit follows me through other games, having started when I used to play chess competitively (involved a handshake too).

Are people really offended by a gg at the end of a match, even if it was pretty one-sided? What is the threshold for taking offense? 5-12? 4-12? 3-12?

GG=Good game.
Good game is where both teams had a good game.
Example:
Many moons ago i was the odd fill in pilot for a FP game between the Seraphim and TCAF. The game was great, lots of aggressive moving and pushing with some of the most savage scrapping I've seen in this game. It ended with just two TCAF standing..barely.
No cheesy meta cack, no name calling or stupid banter. Just honest, furious combat. combat that could have gone either way. People from both sides spouted gg at the end of that-because it was a GOOD GAME.

Typing it as a throwaway comment after every game cheapens what it means, it isn't sporting. Sportsmanship is something else entirely. A lot of people I've questioned as to why they just said it answer "because i had a good game." Do I need to expand on that?
I can't understand the need to say anything......if a particular player you feel was awesome, say so. But throwing gg out at random really isn't cool after you just rofl'd the other guys 12-4.

[Relixander]

How the hell are you people still alive, I figured you woulda melted just reading this thread.

GG snowflakes

[LordNothing]

any game where i have fun is a gg. if this causes some butthurt snowflake distress, so be it. they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Kubernetes]

James Argent, on 27 July 2018 - 10:46 AM, said:

When a gesture becomes expected or 'rude not to do,' it becomes a meaningless pro-forma ritual.

It's ritualized because it's not meaningless. Your day is filled with "meaningless rituals" that are meant to ease the inherent friction in social life. Ever been in places without these automatic social niceties? Great for robots, terrible for people. "GG" is a reminder to both the speaker and recipient that the game just played was between real people. If you get offended by this, ease up. "GG" is not a taunt.

[dervishx5]

Kubernetes, on 27 July 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

It's ritualized because it's not meaningless. Your day is filled with "meaningless rituals" that are meant to ease the inherent friction in social life. Ever been in places without these automatic social niceties? Great for robots, terrible for people. "GG" is a reminder to both the speaker and recipient that the game just played was between real people. If you get offended by this, ease up. "GG" is not a taunt.

GG is a taunt sometimes tho'. Remember NKVA? Groups like that use it in the hopes someone's jimmies get rustled.

Though I'd argue on that point that it's up to the individual player not to let their jimmies get rustled. Then again, this is an era where individual self-esteem is no longer necessarily observed as the responsibility of the individual.

Edited by dervishx5, 27 July 2018 - 12:45 PM.

[El Bandito]

Tarogato, on 27 July 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

"insult" or "offend" is perhaps too strong a word. What I mean to say is... I think "gg" is meaningless.

Most MWO matches are meaningless repetitions. There is nothing wrong to throw meaningless gestures at the end of meaningless matches, if only to symbolize their end. As long as it is not outright insulting, people should just deal with things like GG or o7.

Edited by El Bandito, 27 July 2018 - 11:06 PM.

[Sjorpha]

Tarogato, on 27 July 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

"insult" or "offend" is perhaps too strong a word. What I mean to say is... I think "gg" is meaningless.

Social routines are important even though they often dont carry much meaning in each instance. Consider how we say "hello", "excuse me", "thanks", "bye", "have a nice day" of shake someone's hand. Consider each time those routines are carried out with complete strangers that we don't really care about, like a store clerk or phone support etc. Those routines still reinforce ongoing civility and continually assure us that things are ok.

A game is no different, it's a temporary social event and it requires social routines to maintain a normal state of civility, the signal is simply a mutual acknowledgement of normality. Requiring unique effort or meaning every time would defeat the purpose.

Calling it meaningless is like saying "hello" to a store clerk is meaningless. It kinda is, but should we stop doing it?

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

think we all define and understand a 'gg' differently, so it naturally leads to some salty situations.

if for example my side gets rolled in 2min 12:2, and you (red) type a gg, I kinda feel trolled (cause I saw no literal good game there). totally fine to post it to the team though.

otoh if "we" win a 12:2 while behaving like headless chicken, hiding and lurmin all over the place, with assaults capping, lights sniping and so on, and we still somehow have that 12:2.. seriously, I still feel trolled if a blue in this case types a gg - cause it was clearly not; being bad, while the other behave horribad doesn't make a good game imHo.

but yeah.. taking that kinda literal. I can totally see where a 'gg' is an empty phrase at the end of the game, people don't get bothered by that.

just one of those things we all have our personal view on, so when I'm not overly salty (it happens..! sometimes), I try to be more relaxed about it

[Wil McCullough]

If you get upset when someone types "gg" even though it wasn't a good game, you're... special.

If you get upset because someone typed "gg", you're probably the kind who answer "the sky" when someone asks "what's up?" Or the kind that get frustrated because the guy who said "beg your pardon" isn't actually on his knees.

Reminds me of that scene from guardians of the galaxy where when confronted by gamora saying he's too literal and that metaphors go over his head, drax says "nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it."

Don't be a drax. Stop getting upset with people saying "gg" at the end of matches.

Edited by Wil McCullough, 29 July 2018 - 04:14 AM.