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[Jackal Noble]

Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god!!!!
*Screams with a guttoral roar like an overgrown schoolgirl, fresh from the vat with bulging deltoids and meat hooks for hands.


Hell ya. Uh! That’s my shiznit. That’s what I’m talking about!

[Black Ivan]

It looks great, but with all the Clan Nerfs incoming wallet closed as long as PGI finds no other way fo balance.

[kapusta11]

I'm pretty sure you can fit LB20x and 4 ASRM6s in one of the variants. Also it should be a pretty good ERPPC poptart with high hardpoints and 20+ DHS.

Edited by kapusta11, 01 August 2018 - 11:00 PM.

[Dee Eight]

If you strip the jump jets off the VGL-A, you can get fit an LB20, 4xASRM6, and a total of 1.5 tons of ammo. If you want more ammo, you have to down spec the engine or reduce the armor protection.

[Ruccus]

Black Ivan, on 01 August 2018 - 10:41 PM, said:

It looks great, but with all the Clan Nerfs incoming wallet closed as long as PGI finds no other way fo balance.

I'm not worried too much about the laser nerfs; if and when they go through it's just a matter of finding a new build you like. For the purpose of the Vapor Eagle I think regardless of how the laser nerfs play out the Standard Pack looks very solid.

The VGL-1 has 4 ballistic, 4 energy, and 2 missile hardpoints giving it a plethora of build options that can easily work around any laser nerfs. The VGL-2 has 5 ballistic and 2 energy making it likely that the energy weapons won't be the main damage dealers. For the VGL-3 with its 3 missile and 4 energy hardpoints I'm seeing missiles as the main damage dealers with laser pinpoint damage to finish the job.

The VGL-4 is the only variant leaning heavily on the energy hardpoints, and that's in the reinforcements which you can add later if the laser changes or lack of changes are to your liking.

I've already ordered the standard pack as I am very comfortable playing medium mechs and this one looks promising.

[Kasumi Sumika]

My most requested mech is now here! Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ

[Anjian]

I still keep some old ones in my collection.

[El Bandito]

Finally a 55 ton Clan battlemech!

Black Ivan, on 01 August 2018 - 10:41 PM, said:

It looks great, but with all the Clan Nerfs incoming wallet closed as long as PGI finds no other way fo balance.

Good thing the mech can equip ballistics and missiles too, and good thing Clan ballistics and missiles are much lighter than that of IS.

[N a p e s]

Dee Eight, on 01 August 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

If you strip the jump jets off the VGL-A, you can get fit an LB20, 4xASRM6, and a total of 1.5 tons of ammo. If you want more ammo, you have to down spec the engine or reduce the armor protection.

True, using the default motor makes for a limited build. Personally, a 330 (97.2 kph) rated engine is overkill for this sort of loadout. Going down to a 300 (88 kph) and even a 280 (82.5 kph) makes more sense and frees up an additional 3 or 4.5 tons, respectively. It's still pretty tight in a 55 tonner but it's a hell of an alpha.

[kapusta11]

Dee Eight, on 01 August 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

If you strip the jump jets off the VGL-A, you can get fit an LB20, 4xASRM6, and a total of 1.5 tons of ammo. If you want more ammo, you have to down spec the engine or reduce the armor protection.

255XL Vaper has 29.5 tons of pod space, 12 foк LB20X, 10 for 4 ASRM6, 3+4 for ammo and 0.5 for a single JJ.

Edited by kapusta11, 02 August 2018 - 09:15 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Again, art looks great and couldn’t be more stoked. It does however share a resemblance to the Goshawk II and not so much the original Vapor Eagle (Goshawk). Is it November yet?

kapusta11, on 02 August 2018 - 08:59 AM, said:

255XL Vaper has 29.5 tons of pod space, 12 foк LB20X, 10 for 4 ASRM6, 3+4 for ammo and 0.5 for a single JJ.

That will go what like 64.8? Or at most 72? At any rate a wheee bit slow
Had to look it up, 75 kph with a 255.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 02 August 2018 - 09:36 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Although I suppose it could be reasoned that the design is more the VGL-4 and more akin to the precursor of the Goshawk II style armor

[kapusta11]

Jackal Noble, on 02 August 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Again, art looks great and couldn’t be more stoked. It does however share a resemblance to the Goshawk II and not so much the original Vapor Eagle (Goshawk). Is it November yet?


That will go what like 64.8? Or at most 72? At any rate a wheee bit slow

75 kph without speed tweak skill nodes.

[Jackal Noble]

kapusta11, on 02 August 2018 - 09:34 AM, said:

75 kph without speed tweak skill nodes.

Haha yep definitely workable

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Welp, gg Black Lanner. I can see the Stormcrow still getting some use for laservomits, but the few Lanners anybody drives anymore will be, well, Vaporized. No reason to run a crate with a way-too-heavy locked 385 when you could knock that to a 375 that's nearly as fast but with better hitboxes, jets, and more podspace.

Pictured: a Black Lanner fleeing from the impending Vapocalypse:

[Mechwarrior1441491]

Looks fairly similar to the Incubus. Not all that exciting.

[Daurock]

kapusta11, on 02 August 2018 - 08:59 AM, said:

255XL Vaper has 29.5 tons of pod space, 12 foк LB20X, 10 for 4 ASRM6, 3+4 for ammo and 0.5 for a single JJ.

A 75 KPH mech with that loadout is Certainly Workable, but honestly at that point, not particularly unique, IMO. That loadout easily fits into an Orion, with a massive 350 engine, plus a lot more heatsinks, ammo, and even a TC/AMS if you so desire. The durability of that chassis remains to be seen, but i'd bet on that orion having superior armor quirks too. Maybe that single jump jet makes it feel entirely different, but for now, I'm looking at the faster options for it, rather than the slower ones, which are already well covered by all the 81 KPH mechs out there.

(If I'm looking for a similar, more unique build for it, I'd try it more like a Boomcrow - Running with 3, or even 4 non-artemis SRM6s, LBX20, and the ability to run 100+ with Speed tweak should absolutely shred people.)


I will say this though- that chassis is the first one in a while that I'm interested in purchasing. Pretty much any clan mech that can mount a 300-325 class engine, and endo/ferro should have a lot of pretty potent options, and this one hits a sweet spot in the tonnage range for me..

Edited by Daurock, 02 August 2018 - 10:42 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 02 August 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

Welp, gg Black Lanner. I can see the Stormcrow still getting some use for laservomits, but the few Lanners anybody drives anymore will be, well, Vaporized. No reason to run a crate with a way-too-heavy locked 385 when you could knock that to a 375 that's nearly as fast but with better hitboxes, jets, and more podspace.

Pictured: a Black Lanner fleeing from the impending Vapocalypse:

Good. The Blanner makes for an expensive paperweight, that’s about it. Finally we get Vapes.

[El Bandito]

Daurock, on 02 August 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

A 75 KPH mech with that loadout is Certainly Workable, but honestly at that point, not particularly unique, IMO. That loadout easily fits into an Orion, with a massive 350 engine, plus a lot more heatsinks, ammo, and even a TC/AMS if you so desire. The durability of that chassis remains to be seen, but i'd bet on that orion having superior armor quirks too. Maybe that single jump jet makes it feel entirely different, but for now, I'm looking at the faster options for it, rather than the slower ones, which are already well covered by all the 81 KPH mechs out there.

Orion is 75 tons, which matters in GQ and FP.

[Jackal Noble]

El Bandito, on 03 August 2018 - 12:04 AM, said:

Orion is 75 tons, which matters in GQ and FP.

I mean it’s gonna be hard to displace the venerable OrionIIC for what it does best, but 20 tons is very valuable in those settings.