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[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 02:50 PM.

[K O Z A K]

A lot of people struggle with urbies because of their trashcan shape, I think people can't identify where the CT, LT, RT is on it, especially with it's torso rotation and armour quirks, so it can roll damage like a little champ.

[Jackal Noble]

Throe, on 08 September 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

Statement Asserted: Urbanmech has more armor than Heavies/Assaults.

Finding: FALSE

30 ton 'Mechs have a base armor cap of 210. Urbanmech quirks add 100 total armor. Since skills become a wash(all 'Mechs can have the same skills) we can ignore them and look only at max base armor, where the Urbanmech comes in at 310.

The lightest Heavies in the game, at 60 tons, have a base armor cap of 402, so we don't even need to consider any chassis specific quirks, they *all* beat the Urbanmech easily.

In fact, the Urbanmech *barely* beats out base armor cap of 45 ton mechs, which come in at 306, but that's without counting any of the quirks for any of those either, so most 45 ton mechs can still tank better than an Urbanmech.

So, next time someone says their Urbanmech has more armor than anything heavier than a 45 tonner, please call them on it.

Lol you are funny for real. The total skill-point value of an UM-60 is somewhere in the realm of 380 points, and somewhere in the realm of 580 hp total. Please go math again.

Even then it's not so much literal, as it is comparative. Paired with excellent hitboxes and 360 rotational ability along with seriously ridiculous outstanding armor, the UM stands alone.
Compared to every other mech sub 60 (hell even all mechs in game) tons the urban mech is ton for ton the most ridiculously over armored mech in game. Especially relative to the other 30 ton lights. Cougar is locked into 81 kph, waaay slower than a good Urbanmech and yet suffers tremedously relative to it.

And Good GOD now you can't ignore armor quirks, what is wrong with you. Especially since the quirks applied to the mech have a DIRECT impact on the outcome of the final points applied with Skill tree. The benefits stack.
Not all mechs get the same treatment, esp Clan mechs in the realm of armor, a parity that becomes all too apparent as this game continues on it's course. The Urban mech is crazy tough and in some situations broken as hell.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 08 September 2018 - 03:12 PM.

[FupDup]

Jackal Noble, on 08 September 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Lol you are funny for real. The total skill-point value of an UM-60 is somewhere in the realm of 380 points, and somewhere in the realm of 580 hp total. Please go math again.

Even then it's not so much literal, as it is comparative. Paired with excellent hitboxes and 360 rotational ability along with seriously ridiculous outstanding armor, the UM stands alone.
Compared to every other mech sub 60 (hell even all mechs in game) tons the urban mech is ton for ton the most ridiculously over armored mech in game. Especially relative to the other 30 ton lights. Cougar is locked into 81 kph, waaay slower than a good Urbanmech and yet suffers tremedously relative to it.

And Good GOD now you can't ignore armor quirks, what is wrong with you. Especially since the quirks applied to the mech have a DIRECT impact on the outcome of the final points applied with Skill tree. The benefits stack.
Not all mechs get the same treatment, esp Clan mechs in the realm of armor, a parity that becomes all too apparent as this game continues on it's course. The Urban mech is crazy tough and in some situations broken as hell.

If you want to claim that the effective survivability of the Urbie is better than an average heavy or whatever, that is completely different than claiming the Urbie has "more armor" than a heavy. The details matter.

[Mcgral18]

Remember that Lights get the highest bonus to base armor

I'm not interested enough to do that math, but if it comes just marginally below, it could exceed after that bonus

[Jackal Noble]

FupDup, on 08 September 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

If you want to claim that the effective survivability of the Urbie is better than an average heavy or whatever, that is completely different than claiming the Urbie has "more armor" than a heavy. The details matter.

You mean like saying Clan mechs are superior, right?

Mcgral18, on 08 September 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

Remember that Lights get the highest bonus to base armor

I'm not interested enough to do that math, but if it comes just marginally below, it could exceed after that bonus

A 24% armor bonus gain and a 39% structure gain.

210 base armor + 100 quirk armor = 310 armor x 0.24 = 74.4, resulting in 384.4 armor.

You want to get super technical, it has 14.4 more points of armor than a base Stormcrow at 370 points. The Stormcrow weighs 55 tons, 25 more tons than the Urbanmech.

[FupDup]

Jackal Noble, on 08 September 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

You mean like saying Clan mechs are superior, right?

A 24% armor bonus gain and a 39% structure gain.

210 base armor + 100 quirk armor = 310 armor x 0.24 = 74.4, resulting in 384.4 armor.

You want to get super technical, it has 14.4 more points of armor than a base Stormcrow at 370 points. The Stormcrow weighs 55 tons, 25 more tons than the Urbanmech.

To make the comparison more fair you should use a fully skilled up Crow, so it's skilled vs. skilled instead of skilled vs. unskilled. It's still going to be a lot of armor relative to its size, but not as drastic.

[GeminiWolf]

Urbie is a light mech, shouldn't have armor equal to anything more than that. As a light mech they also get the hard coded 75% damage resistance as well. You forgot to add this to your calculation. So if you multiply your max armor by 75%, they will have the armor value of an Assault Mech, more than an Atlas to be exact. So just cause, apparently the Myth statement drives you nuts... URBIE HAVE MORE ARMOR THAN ASSAULTS... just to tweak your mind a bit

May your Meching be Marvelous
May your Ping be Prime
May your Shots be Stunning
May your Kills be Kind

Now where did I put that Twinky!

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 02:50 PM.

[LordNothing]

urbie op, pls buff.

[Mystere]

LordNothing, on 08 September 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

urbie op, pls buff some more.

FTFY

[Shadowomega1]

How about I drop some stats from my Urban 63

Right arm 42 armor 14 internal (Max armor)
Right/Left Torso 44 front 7 rear armor, 19 internal (max armor)
Center Toros 66 front 7 rear armor, 28 internal (max armor)
Left arm 37 armor 14 internal (Max armor)
Head 21 armor 21 Internal (1 armor from max of 22)
Right/Left Leg 48 armor 19 internal (3 armor from max of 51)

So total armor value 371
Total Max armor value 378
Total internals Value 132
Total HP of my Urban 503
Max HP of the Urban 510


Due note however hitting a destroyed side even if it is the shoulders of a destroyed armor confirs a 50% damage reduction to the next component. If that is also destroyed another 50% is taken off that damage. So a 10 damage hit to a destroyed shoulder on a destroyed torso should transfer 2.5 damage to the CT.

[Prototelis]

If you can't isolate torsos on the urbie start shooting them in the crotch and ***.

I love when they run away from me while turned around and then accuse me of hacking for back ct coring them.

[Kubernetes]

GeminiWolf, on 08 September 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

As a light mech they also get the hard coded 75% damage resistance as well.

wut

[cougurt]

GeminiWolf, on 08 September 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

As a light mech they also get the hard coded 75% damage resistance as well.

also known as missing.

[Lykaon]

Shadowomega1, on 08 September 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

Due note however hitting a destroyed side even if it is the shoulders of a destroyed armor confirs a 50% damage reduction to the next component. If that is also destroyed another 50% is taken off that damage. So a 10 damage hit to a destroyed shoulder on a destroyed torso should transfer 2.5 damage to the CT.

So your example Urbanmech has a standard or LFE? because if it has an XL it got destroyed well before anyone gives a flying finkelstien about destroyed component damage transfer and such.

[Menas]

LordNothing, on 08 September 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

urbie op, pls buff.

It's definitely underperforming... it needs ECM.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

grab your torches everybody, the end is near!

Urbie OP, stock-Urbie is gonna be the meta of this year's championships!


..that being said: we really should do urbie-waves again in fw, been a few weeks since my last one.
who's with me?

[The6thMessenger]

Doesn't need it anyways. You win the moment you set foot on the battlefield.

[TWIAFU]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 09 September 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

grab your torches everybody, the end is near!

Urbie OP, stock-Urbie is gonna be the meta of this year's championships!


..that being said: we really should do urbie-waves again in fw, been a few weeks since my last one.
who's with me?

We do them all the time. 2-3 Urbies each all painted like Minions....

So much fun seeing 12 Urbies on the field at once.

Funny as all hell to see the enemy run away, literally, from our Urbie assaults.