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[Bivoca]

Hello guys.

I saved some bills and I am on the market for an assault mech. He is supposed to be a close-quarters clan assault. I was thinking about a kdk-3 with double lbx20. But I am open to other suggestions.

Does anyone would like to chip in?

[Jyrox]

Heat management and speed factor in.

Machine Guns...no heat
SRM's..heat there.
Small pulse lasers...small heat, but actually over-looked because many think they are low damage, they are not, they are high damage as yhey fire fast, my Hunchback with 9xSPL has done 1002 damage. What they have is low range.

My cyclops with 6xSSRM once did 1350 damage...my highest.

Anyway fill all weapon mounts if possible, with fast firing low heat and get an engine that you can move with...otherwise you can't do CQC.

If heat management is good, take hotter weapons that do more damage/better range.

Edited by Jyrox, 10 September 2018 - 03:23 PM.

[Roughneck45]

MCII-2 or a MAD Scorch, dual LBX20's and quad SRM6.

However, if you want to brawl as clan I'd get an OrionIIC or make a medium SRM bomber. The assault ranged options are generally the better builds on the clan side.

I have fun with this SPIRIT BEAR but this is NOT a great build, this is a "OMG nearly 90 KPH Kodiak!" fun build. Kodiaks are in a bad spot in general these days. Go with UAC's on a 3 if you really want one.

Edited by Roughneck45, 10 September 2018 - 06:05 PM.

[Steel Raven]

Kodiak is still fun but doesn't preform like it used it, pass due for some buffs.

The Mad Cat MKII and Mad IIC are the go to Clan Assaults.
Mad Cat MKII 2 can carry the same load out as the Scorch:
https://mwo.smurfy-n...14e7a5cab05cabd

[justcallme A S H]

KDK3 with Dual LBX20 is just a low performer, IMO, horribly below. Simply as agilty, hitboxes are all garbage.

If you wanna LBX20 get literally any other Assault

[Koniving]

You can try the Kodiak 3 with all kinds of ballistic builds. The LBX-20s are a bit of a maybe (I love IS LBXs, and I like the sound on the Clan versions, but Clan LBX isn't as good due to lacking the 3x optimal range as cutoff... so while IS LBX weapons can go 3x the stated range before they do 0 damage, Clan only goes twice as far [keep in mind their optimal range is typically longer, too]). But given how many different ballistic oriented builds you can do, I'd say the mech is still viable. Keep the engine high as the speed will be necessary.

But if you wanna run LBX-20 and you're set on it, then as tall as the Kodiak is... I'm not sure if that's the best way to go, they stand out in a not-so-good way at a distance and LBX-20 needs to get in close to be fully effective.

[Mister Maf]

A close quarters clan assault mech you say?
https://mwo.smurfy-n...2826bc29d7c6fbf

2x UAC20 Warhawk with 20% reduced jam chance. It's possibly the single most murderous assault mech I own. Max out survival, get the jam duration nodes, and stick with your team and its one-two-one-two punch chews through everything.

Edited by Mister Maf, 10 September 2018 - 07:52 PM.

[Horseman]

Mad Cat MK II B. 2xUAC10, 2xLB10. Short to medium range powerhouse.

Edited by Horseman, 10 September 2018 - 11:01 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Mister Maf, on 10 September 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

A close quarters clan assault mech you say?
https://mwo.smurfy-n...2826bc29d7c6fbf

2x UAC20 Warhawk with 20% reduced jam chance. It's possibly the single most murderous assault mech I own. Max out survival, get the jam duration nodes, and stick with your team and its one-two-one-two punch chews through everything.

The WHK was good when it had the 30% Jam reduction and UACs didn't jam for as long as they do now.

IMO THIS is the better way to do it.

Dual UAC20 WHK is also deceptively hot, something Smurfy does not show.

[SmokeGuar]

MAD IIC-D, 2 * LBX20, ERPPC and med laser + ECM. Alt 2 * ERLL.

Faster, generally more nimble than KDK, lower profile and ECM that is helpful on lower tiered games. Good shield arms.

Remember to skill ECM 1st.

Other build options are gauss and mixing UAC10 or LBX10 with some lighter missiles and lasers.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

first ...what you Playstyle ? what you think to do ? ...Assaults very hard to play in MWO ...only thinking more Armor and Weapons its only a Fast Dead ...in the most Roles a Heavy with good Mobility or Medium better ...Assaults very slow Targets for LRMs and Focus Fire and Prime Targets ..the most dies before firing the second Alpha...the MAD 2C not bad ...by myself and 126 mechs , all Assaults only Hangardecorations ,a nd Medium, and Heavys my Class...good Firepower and good Mobility

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 11 September 2018 - 06:41 AM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Bivoca, on 10 September 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

I was thinking about a kdk-3 with double lbx20.

Dual LB20-X is actually undergunned on a KDK-3.
Even with max engine you've got like 15 tons unused.

I'd opt in for quad LB10-X, you can keep the max engine, Still viable beyond 200 meter, you have 2 heat vs 6 heat per shot for a single LB-X, tighter grouping and almost double the DPS. You can also fire all four since ghostheat is not an issue on LB10-X.

[Horseman]

Indeed. LB20X isn't all that much in terms of DPS increase over an LB10X, it just delivers the damage in a bigger burst with a longer downtime.

Another fun thing to note... UAC10s do not ghost with LB10s. That's where my 2xUAC10+2xLB10 build came from, in fact.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

justcallme A S H, on 10 September 2018 - 09:24 PM, said:

The WHK was good when it had the 30% Jam reduction and UACs didn't jam for as long as they do now.

IMO THIS is the better way to do it.

Dual UAC20 WHK is also deceptively hot, something Smurfy does not show.

Folks who know warhawks (those who own one for sure) know by that loadout that it can be neutered by taking the right ST.
It's by no means a bad build it just has a flaw which can be easily exploited.

Horseman, on 11 September 2018 - 04:00 AM, said:

Indeed. LB20X isn't all that much in terms of DPS increase over an LB10X, it just delivers the damage in a bigger burst with a longer downtime.

Another fun thing to note... UAC10s do not ghost with LB10s. That's where my 2xUAC10+2xLB10 build came from, in fact.

2 UAC10 + 2 LB10X is arguable one of the best builds you can do on a KDK-3. Sure the MCII-B can do it too but i like it more on the KDK-3 to be honest. Realistically, the MCII-B is better suited for that build.

Quad LB10-X on the other hand is something almost no Clan mech can do. As far as i know only the direwolf can do it beside the KDK-3. The KDK-3 can do it obviously better. So, if anything, quad LBX is a solid reason to buy a KDK (unless you're like me and strap four gauss rifles on it).

[Bivoca]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 11 September 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

Folks who know warhawks (those who own one for sure) know by that loadout that it can be neutered by taking the right ST.
It's by no means a bad build it just has a flaw which can be easily exploited.



2 UAC10 + 2 LB10X is arguable one of the best builds you can do on a KDK-3. Sure the MCII-B can do it too but i like it more on the KDK-3 to be honest. Realistically, the MCII-B is better suited for that build.

Quad LB10-X on the other hand is something almost no Clan mech can do. As far as i know only the direwolf can do it beside the KDK-3. The KDK-3 can do it obviously better. So, if anything, quad LBX is a solid reason to buy a KDK (unless you're like me and strap four gauss rifles on it).

For the quad LBX build, it would mean going without any armor on arms?

[Eisenhorne]

Bivoca, on 11 September 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

For the quad LBX build, it would mean going without any armor on arms?

Depends on the engine size. You can run it with an XL375, get plenty of ammo, and barely take off any armor. KDK-3

* disclaimer * - I don't know much about kodiak builds.

[justcallme A S H]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 11 September 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

Folks who know warhawks (those who own one for sure) know by that loadout that it can be neutered by taking the right ST.
It's by no means a bad build it just has a flaw which can be easily exploited.

Given you always aim that torso on a WHK - I'm not entirely sure the point of that comment?

If you have UAC20s you're even more screwed because of the heatloss. At least with the LBX20 heat isn't an issue when you lose that side.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 11 September 2018 - 06:52 PM.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

see below

Edited by Toha Heavy Industries, 12 September 2018 - 10:10 AM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Bivoca What your experience in mWO and with Mechs ? in the Hands of New Players with not high Experience the assaults most useless Tonnage while very hard to use ...Big Target with "hit me" of the Center Torso...tahts the Assaults thats going with sub 100 Damage out of a Match

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Bivoca, on 11 September 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

For the quad LBX build, it would mean going without any armor on arms?

If you decide on running an XL400 (which i would highly recommend, unless you want to get reared every time you try to keep with your PUG team nascar'ing) i would shave off one arm completely and keep some armor on your right arm to house a bit more ammunition (you can't take more then 7 tons unless you store some in the arms).
Depending on the nodes you decide to unlock and your general playstyle you can pretty much go from 7 to 10 tons of ammo, STD340 up to XL400, with or without arm-armor).

justcallme A S H, on 11 September 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

Given you always aim that torso on a WHK - I'm not entirely sure the point of that comment? If you have UAC20s you're even more screwed because of the heatloss. At least with the LBX20 heat isn't an issue when you lose that side.

Poor warhawk and it's geometry, huh?
Just saying that 2x LB20-X on a warhawk means ammo pinata on the right ST, which is equally as easy to hit as the CT and will take the mech out of the game, and it's like 30? 35? points less armor compared to the CT.
Not saying it's a fatal flaw but knowing it might be well worth a shot to take out the ST.