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[thievingmagpi]

lights are fun because if your team is peeing their mech pants in a corner somewhere because some big scary lrms or their paint is getting scratched by racs you can still do whatever you want

Edited by thievingmagpi, 22 September 2018 - 12:35 PM.

[Sh0t]

the common counter "just hit the light mech once, and it's dead" does not reflect the reality of playing this game.

my favored solution would be mg heat and/or landmines. BT TT has land mines in the game for exactly this reason

Sensor guided direct fire weaponry would be another solution, and would give the targeting computer something else to do.

I don't want to NERF lights, but being able to pair up lbxs with a targeting computer and land mines would be how a real military would handle it

TT has normal land mines and vibrabombs

https://www.ourbattl...scussion-mines/
http://www.sarna.net...andard_Landmine

[roboPrancer]

This thread is a testament to the amount of good players we have lost over the last year.

[Battlemaster56]

roboPrancer, on 22 September 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

This thread is a testament to the amount of good players we have lost over the last year.

Press "F" to pay respect.

[thievingmagpi]

F

[Ruar]

Lethe Wyvern, on 22 September 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

https://leaderboard....g/search?u=Ruar
So you not playing this game about a year, played about 10 matches with lights and literally 0 matches as assault, but know ya the things and telling the stuff? Really? Jeez, these forum warriors...

Yeah, those stats are incorrect. I've played more lights than I have assaults, but I have played both more than that.

And yes, I know the things and telling the stuff because I've played 1600ish matches. Unless of course the game has some how changed dramatically in the last year.

*edit- A bit more since I'm honestly surprised you tried this childish "your stats suck" argument. Did you look at my most frequently played mechs? Mobile heavies, mobile mediums, almost exclusively with JJ. With MPLs, LPLs, and SRMs. The exact kind of mechs that are a great counter for lights. Because you know just how much light pilots love to say "work with your team, use SRMs, focus fire" as counters. My last half year or so of playtime was nearly exclusively with brawling mechs, primarily the Quickdraw. So yeah, I know a bit about how effective mechs can be at countering lights and how much hit detection and speed plays into the problems of killing light mechs.

In fact, I'm amazed you were stupid enough to point at my limited time in an assault mech as some kind of way to strengthen your argument. I'm not some kind of assault fan boy who thinks they should be top of the charts on everything and how dare light mechs even scratch their paint. It's also rather stupid to say that I don't play light mechs and that somehow invalidates my opinion on the way light mechs effect the match. If I did play light mechs frequently then my opinion could be biased in favor of them instead of making me objective.

So perhaps you should simply be quiet while the adults have a conversation.

Edited by Ruar, 22 September 2018 - 01:58 PM.

[tutzdes]

Ruar, on 22 September 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

Yeah, those stats are incorrect. I've played more lights than I have assaults, but I have played both more than that.

And yes, I know the things and telling the stuff because I've played 1600ish matches. Unless of course the game has some how changed dramatically in the last year.

This stats are a bit "rounded down". If you played less than 10 matches per month in a weight class it is not counted. So, you didn't really play lights and assults much. Still, you are arguing with people, who played more than 5k matches, who were playing lights and assaults a lot and who are active now. I wouldn't like the game to be shaped and game balance affected by retired players who didn't master the classes they want to change, frankly speaking.

[Y E O N N E]

Ruar, on 22 September 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

Yeah, those stats are incorrect. I've played more lights than I have assaults, but I have played both more than that.

And yes, I know the things and telling the stuff because I've played 1600ish matches. Unless of course the game has some how changed dramatically in the last year.

There are only three ways those stats are incorrect:

1. You changed your name
2. You played on an alt
3. Most of your play was before PGI implemented PSR and the leaderboard.

Which is it?

[Tonberry Knife]

"Lights are the new assaults" please let me see you take down an assault alone who is actually at the keyboard in a Spider.

Just because one light is overturned doesn't mean you have to take it out on the rest of them.

[Y E O N N E]

tutzdes, on 22 September 2018 - 01:55 PM, said:

This stats are a bit "rounded down". If you played less than 10 matches per month in a weight class it is not counted. So, you didn't really play lights and assults much. Still, you are arguing with people, who played more than 5k matches, who were playing lights and assaults a lot and who are active now. I wouldn't like the game to be shaped and game balance affected by retired players who didn't master the classes they want to change, frankly speaking.

Even accounting for that rounding down, you'd still think his most active months would reflect his claim and...they don't.

[Ruar]

Lol, and this thread is a great example of why so many have left this game. Because having a decent back and forth discussion can't happen. Nope, instead it becomes all about the personal attacks.

[Y E O N N E]

Sh0t, on 22 September 2018 - 12:56 PM, said:

the common counter "just hit the light mech once, and it's dead" does not reflect the reality of playing this game.

The point is that one good hit will force them to back down, even if it doesn't kill them. That is my reality; that yours is different is not necessarily the game's fault.

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Sensor guided direct fire weaponry would be another solution, and would give the targeting computer something else to do.

This is a shooter, not a sim. The entire core mechanic is the risk/reward associated with aiming things yourself.

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I don't want to NERF lights, but being able to pair up lbxs with a targeting computer and land mines would be how a real military would handle it

You do want to nerf Lights, you just have a roundabout solution for it. And how a real military would handle it is A.) irrelevant to a game that has to follow game theory and B.) BattleTech in general.

Ruar, on 22 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Lol, and this thread is a great example of why so many have left this game. Because having a decent back and forth discussion can't happen. Nope, instead it becomes all about the personal attacks.

So calling into question whether or not a person has enough experience to make a claim is a personal attack, now? And it's only possible that those crying foul at a 'Mech are the ones who are right?

Get real.

[Weeny Machine]

Ruar, on 22 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Lol, and this thread is a great example of why so many have left this game. Because having a decent back and forth discussion can't happen. Nope, instead it becomes all about the personal attacks.

Says the one who ignores everything which is said to him, which calls data mined directly from the official page incorrect (and thus PGI's own statistics and data mining)...and now you post something like this. I am sorry, but I call this hubris and double standards.

[RickySpanish]

This is an L2P issue. The same players who would destroy you in a Light would smack you so hard in an Assault that you'd go back in time and abort your own birth. Just... Put on some back armour and equip something that isn't a laser or an LRM tube.

[thievingmagpi]

RickySpanish, on 22 September 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

This is an L2P issue. The same players who would destroy you in a Light would smack you so hard in an Assault that you'd go back in time and abort your own birth. Just... Put on some back armour and equip something that isn't a laser or an LRM tube.

this isn't correct.

[Y E O N N E]

thievingmagpi, on 22 September 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

this isn't correct.

True.

I suck in Assaults a lot.

[HARDKOR]

Am I the only one who thinks the PB or F-20 are the funnest things in this game?

[Nightbird]

There are no pilots ingame that do better with lights on average than assaults on average. There are no pilots ingame that do better in their best light mech than in their best assault mech.

[Khalcruth]

Oh come on people. Let's call a spade a spade. The problem isn't light mechs, it's CLAN light mechs. They're the ones with the ridiculous numbers of hardpoints and the ridiculously low tonnage weapons.

[kuma8877]

Nightbird, on 22 September 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

There are no pilots ingame that do better with lights on average than assaults on average. There are no pilots ingame that do better in their best light mech than in their best assault mech.

I do better in my best lights versus my best assaults...