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[Mystere]

Vellron2005, on 25 September 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

What we need to do for GQ is limit group size to 4-6.

Is this the final nail in the coffin for teams in this allegedly team-oriented game?

Vellron2005, on 25 September 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

And we need to send 2-man groups willing solos to Solo Group Que if they can't find a match cannot be found in GQ within 60 seconds.

FTFY. It has a much better chance of happening than putting groups into the solo queue. Or is that the last nail in the coffin for the game?

El Bandito, on 26 September 2018 - 03:39 AM, said:

Tweet Russ to push 8v8 for QP!

Here you go again!

Edited by Mystere, 26 September 2018 - 03:47 PM.

[Mr Steinbrenner]

As usual its the incel irregulars expecting solo players and small groups (the majority of the playerbase) to compromise but the 12 man give up nothing.

[Rustyhammer]

Khobai, on 26 September 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

and again theres no bucket thats ideal for small casual groups and there should be

Ask PGI to add a new queue where everything going over i.e 300dmg/1 kill treated as team damage/team kills. No, even a better idea - ask for a queue where weapons are getting locked after you deal 300dmg.
I'm sure it's a great idea - you can let solo, big and small groups, even cats & dogs drop in this new queue and no tryhards or big groups will be able to bully you.

[Wil McCullough]

Mr Steinbrenner, on 26 September 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

As usual its the incel irregulars expecting solo players and small groups (the majority of the playerbase) to compromise but the 12 man give up nothing.

12 mans give up sth like half of their total tonnage. Also, they're not the bogeyman of gq. Small groups tear 12mans a new ******* because they can bring assaults while the 12 mans can only bring an average of medium mechs

[justcallme A S H]

Vxheous, on 25 September 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

It's abuse to play with friends now?

Also toxic.

Lets not forget that.

[Vxheous]

Khobai, on 26 September 2018 - 06:05 AM, said:

no its not an abuse to play with friends. nor is that what I said. stop deflecting.

its an abuse when you stack multiple good players on one team knowing the game doesnt have anything in place to put a similar number of equally skilled players on the other team to balance the two teams.

you are significantly skewing your win/loss ratio by ensuring one team has an above average number of skilled players compared to the other team. that is team stacking. there is no other way of viewing it. how is that not abuse?

so dont give me that crap. you know full well its an abuse of the system.

because if we had an actual working matchmaker that balanced teams properly, peoples' win ratios would be closer to 1.0 W/L. You wouldnt have players with 8.0 W/L ratios which are only possible because of the ability to consistently stack teams.

so yeah thats the problem in a nutshell: the ability to stack one team full of good players so you win way more often than you should.

I'm not deflecting. All my friends in the game are 99%+ players, so you're telling me that I should not group with my friends. I'm being "abusive" simply because the people I associate with are the top echelon in this game. Maybe instead of trying to neuter the top, maybe work on improving the bottom?

Edited by Vxheous, 26 September 2018 - 08:43 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Vxheous, on 26 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

Maybe instead of trying to neuter the top, maybe work on improving the bottom?

That would require the bottom to stop posting on the forums and actually play the game.

[Shifty McSwift]

Only logs in when he has 5 or more buddies to roflstomp noobs with...

Complains about the solo QP noobs... LoL you guys man.

[Khobai]

Vxheous, on 26 September 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

I'm not deflecting. All my friends in the game are 99%+ players, so you're telling me that I should not group with my friends. I'm being "abusive" simply because the people I associate with are the top echelon in this game. Maybe instead of trying to neuter the top, maybe work on improving the bottom?

you are deflecting. because it doesnt matter if theyre your friends or not. thats completely irrelevant.

its abusive because youre stacking a bunch of 99%+ players on one team knowing that matchmaker doesnt put equally skilled players on the other team, and you know it doesnt, and you deliberately take advantage of that fact to win more often than you should.

if all your friends are 99%+ players then the game needs to put 99%+ players on the other team to balance things out. if it doesnt do that, the games will never be balanced. thats a fact.

so the game either needs to balance teams better or prevent stacked teams from being formed in the first place.

justcallme A S H, on 26 September 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

That would require the bottom to stop posting on the forums and actually play the game.

why would I play group queue when the teams are stacked? nobody wants to play that except for the people doing the stacking. thats kindve the whole point.

Edited by Khobai, 26 September 2018 - 09:41 PM.

[Vxheous]

Mr Steinbrenner, on 26 September 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

As usual its the incel irregulars expecting solo players and small groups (the majority of the playerbase) to compromise but the 12 man give up nothing.

The only time I've seen 12 man groups lately are LFG invited stream groups, most of which get rolled really quick. I find groups of coordinated 4 mans more tough to fight in group queue than the 12 man boogeyman.

[Shifty McSwift]

How dare you Khobai, I just want to play with my friends, its just a coincidence they are in the top 99% and everyone else is crap, and should get gud and do the same. No foreseeable issues there at all /s...

[Khobai]

exactly he has no defense other than "but mah friends", which doesnt even work as an argument...

the issue isnt whether or not you should be able to play with your friends. of course you should be able to play with your "friends" provided it doesnt result in an unbalanced game. Ensuring a balanced matchup should take precedent over you being able to play with your friends.

when you stack a bunch of good players on one team (regardless of whether theyre your friends or not) without any kindve system for putting an equal number of good players on the other team, its always going to result in an unbalanced matchup. thats the issue.

its also understandable that he would be vehemently opposed to anti-team stacking measures since hes the one primarily benefiting from their abuse. in other words his bias is extremely apparent.

whereas I just want balanced matchups in group queue. yet somehow theyre trying to make me out to be the villain? lmao.


TLDR- VXHEOUS: WE DONT WANT BALANCED GAMES THATS BAD FOR US.

Edited by Khobai, 26 September 2018 - 09:59 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Shifty McSwift, on 26 September 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

How dare you Khobai, I just want to play with my friends, its just a coincidence they are in the top 99% and everyone else is crap, and should get gud and do the same. No foreseeable issues there at all /s...

You say that like every 99% player in the game at any given moment is on his friends list and like he somehow does, or even can, play with all of them on his team at once.

[justcallme A S H]

Khobai, on 26 September 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

why would I play group queue when the teams are stacked? nobody wants to play that except for the people doing the stacking. thats kindve the whole point.

Well you don't play SoloQ either so your attempt at deflecting - because that actually was one - is as per usual, bad.

[Vxheous]

Khobai, on 26 September 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

exactly he has no defense other than "but mah friends", which doesnt even work as an argument...

the issue isnt whether or not you should be able to play with your friends. of course you should be able to play with your friends provided it doesnt result in an unbalanced game. Ensuring a balanced matchup should take precedent over you being able to play with your friends.

when you stack a bunch of good players on one team (regardless of whether theyre your friends or not) without any kindve system for putting an equal number of good players on the other team, its always going to result in an unbalanced matchup. thats the issue.

You are saying that people should not group with each other if they're good players, because it makes it "too hard" on other players. You want good players to intentionally gimp themselves so that you can feel better about yourself in a game. I just want to group with my friends (I am rarely in a group larger than 4). Actually, I rarely see large groups of 99% players, most of them play in small groups.

Edited by Vxheous, 26 September 2018 - 09:54 PM.

[Shifty McSwift]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 September 2018 - 09:51 PM, said:

You say that like every 99% player in the game at any given moment is on his friends list and like he somehow does, or even can, play with all of them on his team at once.

You know the easiest way to stay in the 99%, group with other 99%ers and ensure you keep everyone else out of that bracket. Or are you saying there are so many 99%ers that you constantly get matched against eachother instead of the equivalent of a pack of baby seals?

[Eisenhorne]

Lol I would rather this game die than bottom feeding solo trash kill groups. This game was sold to me as a team based mech shooter, not a solo game. If it's so far perverted from that purpose, let it die. Garbage players should either improve or go play something else and stop complaining on the forums about how unfair things are.

[Shifty McSwift]

I am not encouraging solo play as an ideal myself, in fact I would advocate entirely for better grouping systems in game, particularly ease of use grouping with people from your faction, at around your "level" (within reason, obviously I am not advocating for 20 minute waiting screens so please don't assert I am).

The game makes it annoying to simply look for group and/or group up in general and yes it gets worse the smaller a group gets. The fact we have outside resources to group and communicate does not mean they shouldn't also be readily available in game, it is just lazy not to.

If you can't see anything wrong with the idealism of only befriending and playing with the +99%ers, then explaining it to you isn't going to help methinks. Keep on with that get gud attitude that makes no sense when you place it beside "i only play with 99%ers".

[justcallme A S H]

Shifty McSwift, on 26 September 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

You know the easiest way to stay in the 99%, group with other 99%ers and ensure you keep everyone else out of that bracket. Or are you saying there are so many 99%ers that you constantly get matched against eachother instead of the equivalent of a pack of baby seals?

LOL... WUT? I can group and do drops with anyone on my stream and still stay in the top 99%. It is actually easier (not joking here) to have much higher numbers dropping with lower skilled players because in a 3-4man of top players there is usually no need to carry.

That is the key point that flies over the head of so many people - I am not there because of who I play with - I am there because of how good I already play.

[Khobai]

justcallme A S H, on 26 September 2018 - 09:51 PM, said:

Well you don't play SoloQ either so your attempt at deflecting - because that actually was one - is as per usual, bad.

I like how you cant even defend your side of the argument properly.

the best argument you can come up with is "khobai doesnt play games on this account because he plays on other accounts instead"

that has absolutely nothing to do with what were talking about. you have convinced no one.

justcallme A S H, on 26 September 2018 - 10:01 PM, said:

That is the key point that flies over the head of so many people - I am not there because of who I play with - I am there because of how good I already play.

no one is saying youre not good.

just that the game should actively attempt to put someone equally good on the other team.

and if the game cant even do that, it certainly shouldnt allow you to stack your team with all your friends who are just as good as you are.

it should split you up and put you on opposite teams to ensure a balanced match. thats why im not necessarily against a smaller max group size, because it would split up the larger groups, and force them onto different teams. that would make games more balanced for small casual groups too if the best players are divided between the teams instead of being stacked all on one team. but reducing the max group size would only work if its combined with some kindve matchmaker.

Shifty McSwift, on 26 September 2018 - 10:01 PM, said:

I am not encouraging solo play as an ideal myself, in fact I would advocate entirely for better grouping systems in game, particularly ease of use grouping with people from your faction, at around your "level" (within reason, obviously I am not advocating for 20 minute waiting screens so please don't assert I am).

The game makes it annoying to simply look for group and/or group up in general and yes it gets worse the smaller a group gets. The fact we have outside resources to group and communicate does not mean they shouldn't also be readily available in game, it is just lazy not to.

If you can't see anything wrong with the idealism of only befriending and playing with the +99%ers, then explaining it to you isn't going to help methinks. Keep on with that get gud attitude that makes no sense when you place it beside "i only play with 99%ers".

the problem is there arnt enough good players to go around. you cant fill both teams up with good players because the playerbase just isnt big enough to have that many good players online at one time.

so the only real solution is to limit how many good players can be on one team at one time (lower max group size) and equally divide all the available good players among both teams (need a matchmaker).

theres no other way of ensuring balanced teams.

Edited by Khobai, 26 September 2018 - 10:19 PM.