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[FuzzyNova]

I always read threads like this but never thought I would be
The one saying it. I love MWO always have. I even have my own
Me YouTube channel. Trust me I love it but

Idk what's going on. I don't know if it's because I'm in tier 1 and 2
I don't know if the mechs I always loved got nerfed. Or maybe
I'm just not a good pilot anymore. It's wierd.
I feel like I have just gotten horrible in the past few months

Loss after loss after loss after death after death low damage
Scores alot. The builds I used to love I now dislike. Dakka is
Not the same. Maybe I need to get gud again right?

This past week has been really rough on MWO. I have been playing
For about 5 hours now today and I think I may have survived
Two matches out of them all. Maybe 25 matches 3 of them
Wins for our team.

Nascar keeps happening more than I have ever seen it.
I feel like tier 5 pilots were better than what I'm seeing now.
Im not having fun anymore. I'm getting irritated. Same thing keeps
Happening.
And yeah I'll do well some matches. Get some kills do some high
Damage like I used to. Teams work together and we kick ***

I don't keep up with what gets nerfed and what doesn't
But something is off. I was watching some of my old videos
Earlier and noticed the builds I'm using now don't even compare to
Then.

I might just start a new account to go back.

Or maybe I just suck now
Who knows.

Just really irritating

I love MWO either way just sucks

[GeminiWolf]

Play 7:30pm to about 10:00pm PST. Your play experience will be much better... any other time horrible matches. Your damage output can be determined by how your team moves as well, if you get into the position you are suppose too and your team doesn't, you will get focused on. Just my two credits worth.

May the FF be with you.
Use the Dakka Luke.
I am your Fafnir.

AARRRRrrrrrroooooooooooo........

[El Bandito]

If you are having low scores time and again, that means your positioning is off. Since you are a vet, I do not think builds are chiefly to be blamed. Try to make sure you are positioned in a way that you have a clear shot at the enemy without multiple of them aiming at you.

[Kalleballe]

Need to keep an eye on the minimap because a lot more soloplayers just doing their own thing and acting way more cowardly than before.
Consider projecting your love somwhere it is reciprocated.

[Pain G0D]

I understand T 1 and 2 are the Vietnam trenches. You are probably okay .

[kapusta11]

My guess is everyone who doesn't deserve to be in Tier 1 has finally reached it and in the eyes of the matchmaker there's no difference between those people and guys like proton.

[Tom Sawyer]

nm

Edited by Tom Sawyer, 01 October 2018 - 03:08 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Not just positioning but his builds could be part of the problem, in that he is done just enough to increase his tier status. There could other issues be it system (low FPS) or handicaps.

Just for last season/month (Sept) OP did best in mediums followed by assaults, whereas lights and heavies were sub 200 MS average. The season before mediums were still his best in max score, not by much but tis still there. All avg were sub 200 MS.

And OP, this is definitely not a dig at you. It is a dig at how our PSR is setup, with its static thresholds. PSR Player Skill Rating when it should be labeled PEL Player Experience Level. See link below. The BAD part is, as previously stated, PGI has set a LOW ceiling, players will get carried (ie on a win a player can only BREAK even, but never moves down on a win)

https://mwomercs.com...-tiers-and-psr/

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Clarification 2: The more games you play the higher Tier you're going to get.
That's partly true. The more games you play, the better you should become. The better you become, the higher your match scores will be. But you will plateau somewhere. Our top players have hit the PSR point ceiling. Even at that level their PSR values bounce up and down off the ceiling. They may go down 1 point on a loss but spring back up on their next victory.

Because matches are based on Tiers, we're trying to make sure that you are playing against people who are around the same level of skill. That being said, breaking into Tier 1 is just a way for us to make sure you never play anyone in tier 4 or 5. Anyone who has a slightly positive Win/Loss ratio should eventually end up in Tier 1 if they are consistent in their play and match performance.

If we were to turn off new player registration/sign-up and just let the current player base play on forever, eventually everyone will bubble up to Tier 2 or Tier 1. That's because with experience comes better player skill. There would still be people in lower Tiers, it's just that that pool of players would be smaller than top Tier players. Lower tier players would end up being those who refuse to adjust to their team's dynamics and play a 1 trick pony type of gameplay.

With that said, surviving a match/win is important but not nearly as important as what you do while still fighting, ie tis how much do you do before you go down swinging.

Post some of your favorite meds, heavies and assaults w/load outs followed by your positioning in the game (vid are great).

[Eirik Eriksson]

I checked out a few of your Youtube vids Fuzzy and reacted mainly on two things.

1. You are running a lot of matches with loadouts that aren´t exacly topnotch. As long as you are aware of it I dont see any problem with this. Especially since you are a streamer and may want to have a more varied content. Just remeber it will hurt your own performance as well as result in a higher chance to lose a game.

2. You have a really much longer face time than myself when you are trading. To me is looked like a lifetime of facetanking without any torsotwisting or movement to prevent the red ones to place the shots right where they want them.

[KodiakGW]

Welcome to T1 game play, you made it!

Now, whether or not you should be there...”Matchmaker working as intended™”

[Novakaine]

I can't tell the difference between T1 and T5.
MM is a joke.

[Tarl Cabot]

Novakaine, on 01 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

I can't tell the difference between T1 and T5.
MM is a joke.

PSR is a joke, which the MM uses. With that said, someone in Tier 3 average 230 MS over a few seasons can be different from a Tier 1 avg 230 MS over a few seasons, in general. With that said since PGI will likely not change how PSR works nor add other values for MM to select, PGI should have done a redistribution between Tier 1-4 on a regular basis, be it 6 months or 12 months.. AND might as well as have a SEPARATE PSR, aka GSR for group queue play.

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2. You have a really much longer face time than myself when you are trading. To me is looked like a lifetime of facetanking without any torsotwisting or movement to prevent the red ones to place the shots right where they want them.

This definitely. Try less talking, more twisting Not sure if there was any twisting at all, or very little. You noted several things but if a newer player was watching those videos, the lack of torso twisting discussion, ESP on humanoid mechs is lacking, while on chicken walkers, usually the intent is to wiggle to spread damage across all 3 torsos, since generally most arms do not cover enough of the side torso to twist as far as one would with a humanoid mech. So to bring up on this, during your commentaries, discuss the benefits of twisting, a learning experience that you had recently not realized you were not doing as often needed. Tie that in with rising up through the tiers. It is more of a PEL instead of a PSR, but generally players in general do improve, some faster than others, spray less damage, focusing on specific mech parts, be it CT, legs, Side Torso (take out majority of weapons, isXL check, etc... )

Also, consider changing Torso Lock keymap to Toggle Torso Lock, missing a number of shots from torso mounted weapons when not linked up with arm crosshairs. This is allow you to switch on/off to allow line up of torso weapons.

And post some vids of where you or your team appeared to have been owned.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 01 October 2018 - 05:42 PM.

[Asym]

El Bandito, on 30 September 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

If you are having low scores time and again, that means your positioning is off. Since you are a vet, I do not think builds are chiefly to be blamed. Try to make sure you are positioned in a way that you have a clear shot at the enemy without multiple of them aiming at you.

This is a valid point but, it's about impossible to have any competent game play with the populations as low as they are.....

Polarization of populations infers polarization of results !!! You, are on the low side and there is very little you can do to change that because the population itself is that extreme..... Your wins are when you reside on the "vet" side and your losses are when you are on the "new" side..... There is no random distribution of play anymore (and a reason I don't play anymore except for events) because the middle 66% have left the game.... You are either in the left side 15% or the right side 15% that still play.

It really bites and for many, myself included, we won't play till the population resolves itself and we'll know when we play and see "average distributions of wins and losses"....

It's not you............

[El Bandito]

Asym, on 02 October 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

This is a valid point but, it's about impossible to have any competent game play with the populations as low as they are.....

Polarization of populations infers polarization of results !!! You, are on the low side and there is very little you can do to change that because the population itself is that extreme..... Your wins are when you reside on the "vet" side and your losses are when you are on the "new" side..... There is no random distribution of play anymore (and a reason I don't play anymore except for events) because the middle 66% have left the game.... You are either in the left side 15% or the right side 15% that still play.

It really bites and for many, myself included, we won't play till the population resolves itself and we'll know when we play and see "average distributions of wins and losses"....

It's not you............

Inaccurate statement. Personal competence in fact has a noticeable impact on this game. Otherwise I wouldn't have twice as many victories as defeats in solo-queue, over thousands of matches. Unless I somehow miraculously sided with the "vets" so often during those thousands of matches.

Even when I lose, in most lost matches I have done enough damage/kills to guarantee good average matchscores per each season. OP complained about low matchscores he is having during losses--and that is one place he CAN improve upon personally. A loss does not have to equal low matchscore.

Finally, OP seems to be using outdated builds. Catching up to the meta will definitely help him do better in the future.

[Eisenhorne]

Asym, on 02 October 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

This is a valid point but, it's about impossible to have any competent game play with the populations as low as they are.....

Nah, just group up and stomp faction play queue. Best case scenario, you get to fight vs a coordinated team and have a good match, where both sides actually are trying hard to win using good mechs. Had one of these last night, team was down like 1-7, we managed to pull it back for a 48-30 (ish) win. Was a lot of fun. This is maybe 1/4 of all FP games. The other 3/4 are absolute stompings, where we just crush new teams, training units, and pug groups. It's a shame, but its not my fault they suck.

[Nightbird]

Game doesn't have a match maker, so your own performance has a major impact on whether you win or lose. Take mechs and builds that get a lot of kills and watch your win ratio shoot up.

[LordBraxton]

My experience has been that solo Q is lower skill level than ever before, so dont lead any charges and you should be fine.

Youre probably being too aggressive and expecting people to actually push with you. Dont.

PS: my sig is years old and I keep it for the sake of irony

Edited by LordBraxton, 02 October 2018 - 09:02 AM.

[Eisenhorne]

LordBraxton, on 02 October 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

My experience has been that solo Q is lower skill level than ever before, so dont lead any charges and you should be fine.

Youre probably being too aggressive and expecting people to actually push with you. Dont.

PS: my sig is years old and I keep it for the sake of irony

Yup. Play aggressively enough to get within optimal weapons range, then peek and poke away at the enemy. Playing brawl weapons (a huge mistake most players do) is literally asking to die.

[MrXanthios]

Asym, on 02 October 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

This is a valid point but, it's about impossible to have any competent game play with the populations as low as they are.....

Polarization of populations infers polarization of results !!! You, are on the low side and there is very little you can do to change that because the population itself is that extreme..... Your wins are when you reside on the "vet" side and your losses are when you are on the "new" side..... There is no random distribution of play anymore (and a reason I don't play anymore except for events) because the middle 66% have left the game.... You are either in the left side 15% or the right side 15% that still play.

It really bites and for many, myself included, we won't play till the population resolves itself and we'll know when we play and see "average distributions of wins and losses"....

It's not you............

Yep, lately it is just stomping or being stomped, you can count the balanced nice close game on the fingers of the hand of a guy who blew it with firecrackers at new year's eve. I also noticed, but I am paranoid and always smell conspiracy, that as soon as you get a new mech that you are trying to skill, you get inesorably matched with the losing team, and it is not just your personal perfomance, your entire team scores an average around 200 damage, while enemy team just rocks and smash.

[Asym]

El Bandito, on 02 October 2018 - 06:18 AM, said:

Inaccurate statement. Personal competence in fact has a noticeable impact on this game. Otherwise I wouldn't have twice as many victories as defeats in solo-queue, over thousands of matches. Unless I somehow miraculously sided with the "vets" so often during those thousands of matches.

Even when I lose, in most lost matches I have done enough damage/kills to guarantee good average matchscores per each season. OP complained about low matchscores he is having during losses--and that is one place he CAN improve upon personally. A loss does not have to equal low matchscore.

Finally, OP seems to be using outdated builds. Catching up to the meta will definitely help him do better in the future.

EL, what works for you and what works for others may not be the same thing.... I've been in impossible matches that never could be won and in other matches we simply couldn't lose.....

Yes, there are smaller details that can influence game play: builds, positioning, tactical awareness as you have mentioned. But, what I have said is valid and the reason a great many players are avoiding MWO......there are no average QP games anymore.... It's why I only play a few hours a month.........they are stomps or being stomped. Even on maps I am terrible at, because I do not brawl very well...........yes, we stomped a team mercilessly and I ended up with several kills and a lot of damage.........that's not even close to being right....

I know, we never agree on anything but, in this case, I'm pretty sure a lot of players are getting tired of "absolute values".....stomps or stompings.....