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[Monkey Lover]

Armored Yokai, on 09 October 2018 - 03:35 AM, said:

Monkey, rushing wont work It's impossible to trade with AC2 and you are forced into a meta where they can poke you from any side and you can't really brawl them without taking tons of damage every 0.6 sec
It's better to implement something to prevent this kind of play-style

(Why delete your post?)

I deleted it before i saw any replies basically because there is no reason to tell people how to counter because they just want to complain. Been the same thing for years. We have tons of worthless mechs and weapons because of it.

After you ban ac2 will you ban ac5? will you buy uac10? Then srm? then pulse lasers? When are you going to stop. There will always be a weapons system better for 1v1.


Side note you say rushing doesnt work but i have done it over and over. Sure i have died to the top 10 players but they're not in the top 10 due to ac2.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 09 October 2018 - 12:04 PM.

[Bigbacon]

PLEASE NO!!! because they will nerf it across the board not just in solaris.

[Papaspud]

Who cares about a mode that 3 people play?

Solaris was a mistake and they don't need to waste resources trying to flog that dead horse.

[Dregian Bloodwrath]

just goes to show that most ppl dont see the benefit Solaris has to offer they play 2 or 3 games and say Solaris sucks ... I know of ppl who actually improved there game play in qp and fp due to Solaris.. Solaris doesn't suck the ppl who can't play it suck Solaris takes a bit of getting us to my whole unit makes use of Solaris to train and get better ... as for ac2s yeah they dominate dev 1 most of all ... but that's where u need to learn strategy... if u can't out gun ur opponent then u need to out think him or out smart him ... even on long range maps make them come to u ... nobody wants to end with n tie. . Solaris can teach u all about engagements countering strategy patience weak spots on deverent mechs aiming the list goes on ... all of it lessons that can be easily implemented in other game modes .. iv gotten better thru playing Solaris... ppl is just not giving it a chance .... ps if I can take out a ac2 bout with 4 lbx10 then .... can it really be that bad??? and there are ways to counter a 6 ac2 anni btw lots of loadout can take it down at the same range there trying to take u out at ... all u need to do is find out what works for u

[Bombast]

Dregian Bloodwrath, on 09 October 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

just goes to show that most ppl dont see the benefit Solaris has to offer they play 2 or 3 games and say Solaris sucks ...

Solaris is boring and it mostly removes the most important skill in the QP/FP from gameplay - Map awareness. While it's true that you may learn something about torso twisting and aiming in Solaris, you can do that just as well in QP.

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Solaris doesn't suck the ppl who can't play it suck

Glass houses and stones don't mix. I'd refrain if I were you.

[- World Eater -]

You beat my *** pretty good with your annihilator ha

[dario03]

Eisenhorne, on 09 October 2018 - 06:15 AM, said:

I will pimp myself out for that sweet, sweet GXP.

Did they ever say what the prizes for this season were?

[Alex Morgaine]

Use your bans on the long range maps?

[Armored Yokai]

Alex Morgaine, on 09 October 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

Use your bans on the long range maps?

Boreal-Steiner are definitely the first to go for me.
Try to get Factory and Jungle and you can still be poked down and there's enough space for them to find areas to poke you down
when you attempt to rush them at 300-400m that's a guaranteed loss
the only safe space in Solaris is the Ishiyama caves and everyone knows the long range is going to ban that first.

[Vxheous]

ac2 builds in Solaris were done to counter mass LBX spam. If you take away the ability to use AC2 in Solaris, you're going to get pushed by LBX 50 Anni's again, and then what? Complain about LBX 10?

[Armored Yokai]

Vxheous, on 09 October 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

ac2 builds in Solaris were done to counter mass LBX spam. If you take away the ability to use AC2 in Solaris, you're going to get pushed by LBX 50 Anni's again, and then what? Complain about LBX 10?

I wouldn't want to fight that but, that's ONLY in Div 1. I'm not just talking about tier 1 but, nearly every other tier. If PGI allowed Piranhas inside Divion 1 too then it would surely dominate annihilators because Annihilators are weak vs leg-humping. Check every division, nearly every tier the top players boat ac2-lbx2.

With the KGC it's a problem in tier2 because even if you went a piranha, the KGC's low slung arms are enough to deny the leg humping mgun demons.

[razenWing]

Windscape, on 09 October 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

While I agree that the solaris ac2 meta is stale and hard to counter, a nerf to ac2s overall would kill the weapon.

The way the ac2 meta works is whoever has the steadiest hand and clicks the fastest, they win. (DPI shift helps too)

I think the best way to balance AC2s would to give a small screenshake penalty like MASC or JJs when more than 4 are fired within a short interval, while giving AC2s a small heat and cooldown buff to compensate, which will make running less AC2s more viable.

Lbx2s use up 3 slots so boating them is a lot harder, and UAC2s have an extra slot, ton, run hotter and can jam, so I’d leave them in their current state.

In the meantime, I have figured out a counter to the AC2 jager in D4, buuut I kinda want to keep it a secret for now

MerataKell is my hero in that regard. He beat every single meta on all divisions just by shooting better. I cannot replicate his secret. I know his counter is with Laser Vom BK, but again, no idea how he does it. I tried it, and with no coolshot and shutdown threat after 2 alphas... it's really hard for me to play that style. But alas, if it works for him (and seems to be only for him), then it must work somehow.

(i have no idea how one can aim at arms so accurately. AGain, tried, can red the arm, but never take it off. and somehow can never get any god forsaken crit on those dumb ac2s)

[dario03]

I think the mode might be more interesting if we just switched to prebuilt mechs. Like champions but different builds that get changed around often, like every week or so. Each division could have a couple of builds that you can choose from. Maybe have user submitted builds get voted on, or placing high on the leaderboard lets you submit builds. Or maybe just have some divisions be like this and also have some open divisions, throw in a casual non ranked division too. Oh and be able to search multiple divisions at the same time.

Edited by dario03, 09 October 2018 - 09:17 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

dario03, on 09 October 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

Did they ever say what the prizes for this season were?

Sadly no.

A week away from season end and we have no idea.

One can only assume same as last season for now, but then past history would suggest even that is not gauranteed

[Windscape]

razenWing, on 09 October 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

MerataKell is my hero in that regard. He beat every single meta on all divisions just by shooting better. I cannot replicate his secret. I know his counter is with Laser Vom BK, but again, no idea how he does it. I tried it, and with no coolshot and shutdown threat after 2 alphas... it's really hard for me to play that style. But alas, if it works for him (and seems to be only for him), then it must work somehow.

(i have no idea how one can aim at arms so accurately. AGain, tried, can red the arm, but never take it off. and somehow can never get any god forsaken crit on those dumb ac2s)

Pretty sure that mech was designed to 1-2 shot the arms on a jager. I kinda want to try his build now, snubbies and mpl...

Edited by Windscape, 10 October 2018 - 03:04 PM.

[Captain Caveman DE]

justcallme A S H, on 09 October 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

Sadly no.

A week away from season end and we have no idea.

One can only assume same as last season for now, but then past history would suggest even that is not gauranteed

with "that many" people playing solaris right now, I'm not sure that
a ) there will be prizes
b ) there will be another season

"It's dead, Jim." :-/

Edited by Captain Caveman DE, 10 October 2018 - 11:35 AM.

[Chiasson Brinker]

Armored Yokai, on 09 October 2018 - 02:49 AM, said:

AC2 is too strong and unhealthy, look at all the "high tier" players in Solaris and nearly all of them boat ac2s and do this tactic where they pick a long range map and just poke players down.

The mechs that boat them are too tanky and near unkillable even with a high burst 95.5 atlas that overheats upon alpha

NO

[justcallme A S H]

Captain Caveman DE, on 10 October 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

with "that many" people playing solaris right now, I'm not sure that
a ) there will be prizes
b ) there will be another season

"It's dead, Jim." :-/

There will be because that is what was stated is how the seasons will work.

We just don't know what it will be.

[LordNothing]

in the last event i got my headshot against an ac2 boat in solaris. granted my armor was red but it only took one hit with quad ac10s to pulpify the contents of that cockpit. and that guy had at least an order of magnitude higher score than me.

Edited by LordNothing, 10 October 2018 - 06:44 PM.