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[Spheroid]

Look at this, late afternoon in North America and team blue exceeds the normal number of assaults by 100%.

Question one: Is NA primetime now suffering population problems?

Question two: why did the matchmaker not distribute those assaults in a more equal fashion. Everyday the ratio of tier 1 to lesser tiers increases(supposedly) so that all else being equal weight should become a more important sorting criteria. Yet in my screenshot team blue has more assaults than team red.

Should I post Jarl values to test the theory that there was a tier gap that overrode the weight disparity?

I cropped the image, the server was European so anyone with a ping under a hundred is most likely of that region.

Edited by Spheroid, 09 October 2018 - 02:09 PM.

[FupDup]

Both teams in this screenshot do have the same number of assaults.

Red: Banshee, Snova, MC2 x2, Anni, Fapnir

Blue: MC2, King Crap x2, Mauler, Anni, Fapnir

[process]

Those teams are very well balanced weight-class-wise.

[Tarl Cabot]

Did the team get caught in the valley, losing high ground, nascar without reason?

[Jman5]

Spheroid, on 09 October 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

Look at this, late afternoon in North America and team blue exceeds the normal number of assaults by 100%.

Question one: Is NA primetime now suffering population problems?

Question two: why did the matchmaker not distribute those assaults in a more equal fashion. Everyday the ratio of tier 1 to lesser tiers increases(supposedly) so that all else being equal weight should become a more important sorting criteria. Yet in my screenshot team blue has more assaults than team red.

Should I post Jarl values to test the theory that there was a tier gap that overrode the weight disparity?

I cropped the image, the server was European so anyone with a ping under a hundred is most likely of that region.

1. It has always happened pretty frequently where one weight class over represents on a team. Just depends on what people are playing when they queue up.

2. Both teams have equal number of assaults, heavies, mediums, and lights.

[Kubernetes]

I had a match this week where we had one assault... and the red team had three.

[Garrek316]

Kubernetes, on 09 October 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

I had a match this week where we had one assault... and the red team had three.

I take a wild guess here and say you played group queue.
And if not I would really like to see a screenshot of something like this happening in solo queue, because that shouldn't be possible.

[ForceUser]

A few months back they removes the 3/3/3/3 matchmaking completely. Now the matchmaker tries to put the same number of each weight on each team (in addition to tier balancing). If there is an uneven number number of a weight class queuing you could see two teams not matching up perfectly. For example if there is 5 assaults queued then you could see 2 on one side and 3 on another. However if there is an even number then the distribution will be even as well (12 assaults queued means 6 on each side).

If you have screenshots proving otherwise then there is possibly a bug and PGI needs to be made aware of it.

[Jman5]

ForceUser, on 09 October 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

A few months back they removes the 3/3/3/3 matchmaking completely. Now the matchmaker tries to put the same number of each weight on each team (in addition to tier balancing). If there is an uneven number number of a weight class queuing you could see two teams not matching up perfectly. For example if there is 5 assaults queued then you could see 2 on one side and 3 on another. However if there is an even number then the distribution will be even as well (12 assaults queued means 6 on each side).

If you have screenshots proving otherwise then there is possibly a bug and PGI needs to be made aware of it.

Solo queue still always matches weight classes 1:1. I have never seen a screenshot show otherwise.

[Eisenhorne]

Yea, its always equal weight classes. Which is a decent way to do it, but that does lead to things like a PPC Awesome on one side, while the other got a Deathstrike or something. Not all assaults are equal. But since that would be hard to balance for, it is what it is.

[Shadowomega1]

Also there is an event going and some people are trying to get parts of the event done via the most damage output possible, yet still sucking at it.

[warner2]

Epic failure to look at own screenshot

[Rafe Yomin]

Jman5, on 10 October 2018 - 03:05 AM, said:

Solo queue still always matches weight classes 1:1. I have never seen a screenshot show otherwise.

He's not saying that. He's saying that the weight restrictions have been lifted. In the past the matchmaker tried to get 3/3/3/3, and if it really found noone after a good while, it lifted those restrictions. Now that restriction gets lifted a lot sooner, or isn't even in play anymore, leading to more matches with still 1:1 weight class ratios, but with 6/4/1/1 of the weight classes. That was the change a few patches ago.

[ForceUser]

Rafe Yomin, on 10 October 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

He's not saying that. He's saying that the weight restrictions have been lifted. In the past the matchmaker tried to get 3/3/3/3, and if it really found noone after a good while, it lifted those restrictions. Now that restriction gets lifted a lot sooner, or isn't even in play anymore, leading to more matches with still 1:1 weight class ratios, but with 6/4/1/1 of the weight classes. That was the change a few patches ago.

You are right, but Jman was talking about me saying same weight class being off by one on one side in the same match being incorrect. I never really paid that much attention to it (never had a reason to since teams seemed equal whenever I checked) so I'll take his word for it unless I see something different

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 09 November 2018 - 11:31 AM.

[Kubernetes]

Garrek316, on 09 October 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

I take a wild guess here and say you played group queue.
And if not I would really like to see a screenshot of something like this happening in solo queue, because that shouldn't be possible.

Nope, I only do SQ for QP. No screen shot, but I have no reason to lie.

[Y E O N N E]

Rafe Yomin, on 10 October 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

That was the change a few patches ago.

IIRC, they don't have to patch to change that since it's a back-end thing.

[ForceUser]

Kubernetes, on 10 October 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

Nope, I only do SQ for QP. No screen shot, but I have no reason to lie.

not a case of lying, just misremembering. screenshots will help you remember and wil help pgi fix it if its a bug since they need the exact game to check and see why it broke.

[Moldur]

At the peak of the KDK-3 literally half the match was in assaults. Just a google search shows a match where blue team had 7.

[Stonefalcon]

There's only 20t difference between the two teams. I would put this victory down to agility. Blue team had a lot of slow assaults without JJs whereas reds had multiple with JJs. You just got caught with your pants down and smashed.