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[Bivoca]

Hello guys.

I was playing a match recently and I had to kill one of our team mates that was attacking our own team. Do I get punished for that? I think I even got some CB for killing it.

I am a bit confused

Could sb explain me how TK is implemented?

[Jonathan8883]

Teamkilling is teamkilling, and you doing it in response to him TKing doesn't matter to the system.
Unless you make a big habit of it, all you'll get is a 20 second queue penalty.

It happens to almost everyone occasionally...sometimes a teammate just wants to jump up and put their stripped back armor between your LBX20s and the enemy right as you line up and fire...

[Dragonporn]

Never team kill in response, and it is hard to believe that you get any kind of reward for it. From my experience, you get pretty huge penalty to both match score and C-Bill payout post match, as well as time penalty not to be able to join the match.

If you see someone damaging your own teammates or griefing in any other particular way, just report them. Get the match score board, hover over their nickname and use your mouse buttons, the rest you'll figure yourself.

Not sure if reports actually do anything, but at least it's a better option than heavily penalizing yourself, should you choose to engage the offender.

[Horseman]

Bivoca, on 20 September 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

I was playing a match recently and I had to kill one of our team mates that was attacking our own team. Do I get punished for that? I think I even got some CB for killing it.
Could sb explain me how TK is implemented?

Team kill - or a sufficient amount of team damage - will put a matchmaking penalty on your account. You will have to watch a notification about this when you attempt to queue next. The first time this happens the penalty timeout is only 20s, but if you repeatedly TK it may escalae up to 20 minutes. Penalties clear every 4 hours AFAIK.

Dragonporn, on 20 September 2018 - 05:05 PM, said:

Never team kill in response,

I strongly disagree. If you see someone TKing a teammate, he has to be taken down before he does the same to you. Period.

[Eisenhorne]

[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 18 October 2018 - 02:41 AM.
unconstructive, griefing

[Gen Lee]

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Edited by draiocht, 18 October 2018 - 03:12 AM.
discussing griefing

[Steel Raven]

Look up The B33F Salty Comms Part 2. Record, report and move on to the next game.

[TheCaptainJZ]

For the record, it is against the Code of Conduct to teamkill a teamkiller. You may also get punished for doing the same.

[D V Devnull]

Geez... One read of this thread, and now I feel like there NEEDS to be a New Report Option. It could be titled "Intentional Path Blocking", which is exactly as it describes. In short, "A Teammate is intentionally blocking another's path when they're in need of repositioning.", and this New Report Option should probably be under the "Griefing" category. For display of pathing, it would be...

Report Player > Griefing > Intentional Path Blocking

..and such a Report should frankly make sure that you don't run into the offending player for a while. Say, like, at least 10 matches afterward before you run into them again, if at all.

~D. V. "They should learn their lesson by then, right?" Devnull

[mad kat]

I was in a couple of matches last night where literally half my mech got shot off from behind twice and received more damage from friendlies than the enemy.

I also had the usual idiot in Clan crutch mech Timberwolf parking stock still behind me as i get shredded then firing through me as i try to get away from them and the enemy both now hitting me.

I'm getting close to head shotting these idiots now.

[Tesunie]

D V Devnull, on 21 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Geez... One read of this thread, and now I feel like there NEEDS to be a New Report Option. It could be titled "Intentional Path Blocking", which is exactly as it describes. In short, "A Teammate is intentionally blocking another's path when they're in need of repositioning.", and this New Report Option should probably be under the "Griefing" category. For display of pathing, it would be...

Report Player > Griefing > Intentional Path Blocking

..and such a Report should frankly make sure that you don't run into the offending player for a while. Say, like, at least 10 matches afterward before you run into them again, if at all.

~D. V. "They should learn their lesson by then, right?" Devnull

Minis the last part about somehow blocking that playing from being able to drop with you (for just reporting), I see intentionally blocking someone's retreat (especially when they are poking and have been for a while) as a form of griefing. I've been referring to it as TKing without dealing any team damage for a while now.

Just yesterday I had someone do that to me. Been poking from a spot for three or four rotations, then suddenly a MC MKII comes and pushes me from collision (which also happened to make me miss a shot because my target was pushed outside twisting ranges), then when I needed to back off, he was still there. Of course, I'm being shot at by enemies as this is happening, but I managed to (control my fire and not shoot him) walk all the way around him so he could take my spot. He wanted it so badly he was willing to get me killed for it, so I just gave it to him. (Though seriously, I almost unloaded a full alpha into him I was so tired of him up my backside by that point.)

[Horseman]

Eisenhorne, on 21 September 2018 - 05:37 AM, said:

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That might qualify as an act of mercy.

TheCaptainJZ, on 21 September 2018 - 07:05 AM, said:

For the record, it is against the Code of Conduct to teamkill a teamkiller. You may also get punished for doing the same.

True. It is also true that if you don't do it, the TKer will likely continue with the other people on your team, including yourself.
I'd rather eat the penalty.

D V Devnull, on 21 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Geez... One read of this thread, and now I feel like there NEEDS to be a New Report Option. It could be titled "Intentional Path Blocking", which is exactly as it describes. In short, "A Teammate is intentionally blocking another's path when they're in need of repositioning.", and this New Report Option should probably be under the "Griefing" category. For display of pathing, it would be...

"Assisting the enemy" is a catch-all for this sort of thing.

Edited by draiocht, 18 October 2018 - 03:23 AM.
Quote Clean-Up

[Dragonporn]

Horseman, on 21 September 2018 - 04:24 AM, said:

I strongly disagree. If you see someone TKing a teammate, he has to be taken down before he does the same to you. Period.

Well, if someone kills a teammates, which can be accomplished very easily and quick, as you can just one hit kill alpha in the back, that's -1 mech for your team, if you engage teamkiller, it will be a waste of time, so you'll have to fight, and when you kill him, that's -2 mechs plus you (and maybe someone else) damaged in the process. Now tell me, what are the odds of your team to win like this? i'd say if you can bear it, you better just disco, waste less time this way, and penalty would be a lot less.

Once I've seen a guy, who's been purposely damaging our teammates, what I did was reporting him, warn my team over comms, getting away as far as possible, and we even managed to win that round, wasn't easy though, but at least he was drawing some enemy fire too.

Edited by Dragonporn, 21 September 2018 - 09:46 AM.

[TheCaptainJZ]

D V Devnull, on 21 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Geez... One read of this thread, and now I feel like there NEEDS to be a New Report Option. It could be titled "Intentional Path Blocking", which is exactly as it describes. In short, "A Teammate is intentionally blocking another's path when they're in need of repositioning.", and this New Report Option should probably be under the "Griefing" category. For display of pathing, it would be...

Report Player > Griefing > Intentional Path Blocking

..and such a Report should frankly make sure that you don't run into the offending player for a while. Say, like, at least 10 matches afterward before you run into them again, if at all.

~D. V. "They should learn their lesson by then, right?" Devnull

Something like this is listed in the CoC as a form of griefing. I browsed the text today. If it's clearly intentional, report it and let the mods sort it out.

[TheCaptainJZ]

If you do have a teamkiller rampaging on your team, get everyone, even the enemy team to report him. The more reports, the faster he'll be banned.

[D V Devnull]

TheCaptainJZ, on 21 September 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

Something like this is listed in the CoC as a form of griefing. I browsed the text today. If it's clearly intentional, report it and let the mods sort it out.

I just wish there was more Options in that Category, in order to more specifically Report a particular type of Offense.

~D. V. "You get how I'm feeling about this, right?" Devnull

[Horseman]

Dragonporn, on 21 September 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

Well, if someone kills a teammates, which can be accomplished very easily and quick, as you can just one hit kill alpha in the back, that's -1 mech for your team, if you engage teamkiller, it will be a waste of time, so you'll have to fight, and when you kill him, that's -2 mechs plus you (and maybe someone else) damaged in the process. Now tell me, what are the odds of your team to win like this?

You're making an assumption the teamkiller won't engage you after his first kill and will instead focus on the enemy. That is not usually the case.

If someone on your team starts TKing on purpose, you're -2 mechs already : him and his first victim, and if you don't stop him he will make it his business to turn it into -3 and -4 in quick order. What are the odds for your team to win THEN?

Edited by Horseman, 21 September 2018 - 12:07 PM.

[salkeee]

Best U can do when U see a teamkiller is let him kill U and report,if he continues to make team kills its only worse for him and can lead to automated perma ban even.The game is alredy lost anyway and 1 lost match doesnt meen anything.
If U play like some hero who will save his team from teamkiller U only doing him favor becouze he done only 1 teamkill and afther match will get time penalty and will just cool off and play later like nothing hapened.

Edited by salkeee, 23 September 2018 - 11:53 PM.

[Horseman]

You forget the penalties escalate up to 20 min. Players who don't deliberately TK are unlikely to get to that point, but putting a serial TKer out of the match forces him to wait out whatever his current penalty level is before he can queue.
Or at least it would in theory, if some TKers did not create throwaway accounts to get around penalties and bans. There was an epidemic of that several months ago.
There is no long term solution unless PGI starts banning TKers by IP address and/or MAC (hardware identifier) - which as far as I know isn't being done - and in the short term the only thing that works is ejecting the TKer out of the match so that he's no longer your specific problem for the duration.

Edited by Horseman, 24 September 2018 - 12:46 AM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

If you have a TKer on your team, [Redacted]. Afterwards, report the player and encourage all the others to do it, too.

Edited by draiocht, 18 October 2018 - 03:32 AM.
griefing issue