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[InvictusLee]

Ive been kicking around this idea for a while, a long while if you remember my previous thread;
What would a good PC build that is realtively quiet, and has liquid cooling, that can be built out to optimise the CPU heavy MWO assuming High speed LAN connection look like? I think the liquid cooling would be a better fit for my heavy usage.

Budget is unlimited, but Im thinking about building more than one unit, so the cheapest total cost while running full game textures/fx with atleast 60FPS would be awesome.

Im no PC part expert, but your answers would be extremely helpful!
I know motorbikes not electronics xD.

Thanks!

[Spheroid]

Why do you need liquid cooling? You said you are not a tech head. Liquid is only for overclocking. Are you intending on overclocking?

[Mr Steinbrenner]

Anything that isnt a calcuator, just figure it out.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Liquid isn't only for overclocking lol.. who told you that, Spheroid.

OP, you're best of with AMD Ryzen 5/7 series. 1500X 1600X ryzen 5 or 1700X ryzen 7. They can handle MWO on 1080p with full settings assuming they have good ram and a good graphics card beside them.

As for cooling, check on AIO cooling systems with 240mm to 360mm radiators.

I had a pretty "cheap" 240mm AIO cooler from Cooler Master as a stand in for a while
https://pcpartpicker...w-d24m-a20pc-r1
I've paid 55 bucks, it's not actually "silent" but it's fairly quite compared to regular heatsink+fan coolers (no cooling systems are silentbeside true passive systems)

I've switched to a Thermaltake AIO which was about 2,5 times more expensive then my old AIO and it's about half as loud as the Coolermasters, it's also about 2,5 times more expensive.
https://pcpartpicker...l-w157-pl12sw-a

I'd say if you go for about 25 db on full load you get a fairly quite system.

What i like about AIO cooler and radiator setups is that it takes the hot air right out of the system and decouples the heatsinks fom the electonics.

[justcallme A S H]

He said quiet and liquid - so why would you not get a good AIO liquid cooler?

End of the day spend as much as you can on the CPU, that's basically how to build for MWO. Make sure you are overclocking as well TBH. I mean I picked up 20-30FPS on my 8700k by taking it up to 4.9Ghz from stock... Didn't change anything else.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2CPjhy

600$ budget, -75$ mail in rebrate. Will scratch on 60 fps with full settings.
Top it with a case (40 bucks) if you need a new one.
Just don't skimp out on the monitor.. the monitor is your primary link to your system, it does literally not matter how good your system is if you have a trashy monitor which can't show you what nice little pictures your system is processing.
If you don't toss at least 100 bucks on a small (like really small 21") 1080p monitor with at the bare minimum 60hz and sub 5ms response time don't bother seting up a system.

As with all super low budget system, i will say that you would get much, much more out of your bucks if you just spend a little extra on component. Like a ryzen 2600 is "just" 30 bucks more. Or a radeon 580 is "just" 40 bucks more. Or a 240mm radiator AIO is "just" 5 bucks more (assuming you pay a litle extra for the case to fit it in).

[Monkey Lover]

You're correct when you say its cpu heavy but not all cpus would be best for this. Gettting a 32 core cpu would do nothing for this game. What you want to look for is the best cpu with a single thread.

Check
https://www.cpubench...ngleThread.html

[LordNothing]

liquid cooling doesnt seem worth the benefits unless you plan on overclocking to 5ghz or something. i like high binned chips but i seldom push them beyond their stock settings. them things expensive.

[LordNothing]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 14 November 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Liquid isn't only for overclocking lol.. who told you that, Spheroid.

OP, you're best of with AMD Ryzen 5/7 series. 1500X 1600X ryzen 5 or 1700X ryzen 7. They can handle MWO on 1080p with full settings assuming they have good ram and a good graphics card beside them.

As for cooling, check on AIO cooling systems with 240mm to 360mm radiators.

I had a pretty "cheap" 240mm AIO cooler from Cooler Master as a stand in for a while
https://pcpartpicker...w-d24m-a20pc-r1
I've paid 55 bucks, it's not actually "silent" but it's fairly quite compared to regular heatsink+fan coolers (no cooling systems are silentbeside true passive systems)

I've switched to a Thermaltake AIO which was about 2,5 times more expensive then my old AIO and it's about half as loud as the Coolermasters, it's also about 2,5 times more expensive.
https://pcpartpicker...l-w157-pl12sw-a

I'd say if you go for about 25 db on full load you get a fairly quite system.

What i like about AIO cooler and radiator setups is that it takes the hot air right out of the system and decouples the heatsinks fom the electonics.

i almost got one but it only took reading a couple horror stories to dissuade me. i ended up getting the all copper version of the cryorig c7 for my 8086k. runs cool as a cucumber even in my mini itx case (i cranked on it with visual sfm for over 2 hours, 100% utilization on all 12 threads. that thing could crash my old 4790k easy). i just cant afford to replace hardware all the time and id rather play it safe with a good air cooler than risk slagging my mobo and everything attached to it. you do get better results from turbo with a good cooler though.

Edited by LordNothing, 15 November 2018 - 07:47 AM.

[Eisenhorne]

justcallme A S H, on 14 November 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

He said quiet and liquid - so why would you not get a good AIO liquid cooler?

End of the day spend as much as you can on the CPU, that's basically how to build for MWO. Make sure you are overclocking as well TBH. I mean I picked up 20-30FPS on my 8700k by taking it up to 4.9Ghz from stock... Didn't change anything else.

For cooling... high end air competes with most AIO cooler performance (high end AIO liquid is better by a little, but not by much, and can be louder, and is also significantly more expensive), so just get an air cooler because it's much simpler. A custom loop obviously outperforms AIO coolers, but unless you're OK with spending 500+ on cooling alone, a high end air cooler is your best bet IMO.

[Vxheous]

Eisenhorne, on 15 November 2018 - 07:50 AM, said:

For cooling... high end air competes with most AIO cooler performance (high end AIO liquid is better by a little, but not by much, and can be louder, and is also significantly more expensive), so just get an air cooler because it's much simpler. A custom loop obviously outperforms AIO coolers, but unless you're OK with spending 500+ on cooling alone, a high end air cooler is your best bet IMO.

I actually prefer AIO over a high end air, less weight mounted onto the motherboard, and the heat gets dumped out of the case, which leaves the case fans to dissipate the warm air generated by the video card.

[justcallme A S H]

Vxheous, on 15 November 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

I actually prefer AIO over a high end air, less weight mounted onto the motherboard, and the heat gets dumped out of the case, which leaves the case fans to dissipate the warm air generated by the video card.

Exactly this. I used to be air for 10 years... Then I put my CPU (2600k) on water after being on air, will never go back to air. Everything was much cooler internally and yeah, so much less weight on the mobo. Over 5-6 years that's good help. Plus AIO and high end air coolers are (at least here) not much different in price cause we get nuked on everything.

That said these days I just went a full custom loop but thats not really a discussion for here.

[So You Say]

MWO looks great on a 3440x1440 34" curved wide screen display 60Mhz or better. Get a beefy graphics card, at least a current generation GTX 970. I have a GTX-1080 (last years model) and it runs flawlessly. Be warned, once you go wide screen you wont want to play MWO on anything else.

[RickySpanish]

FYI you can run MWO at max settings and 60fps on basically a toaster oven. You certainly do not need to bother with overclocking or even a particularly good graphics card. I was running just fine on a gtx 950 with my 3.3ghz i5. I now use a gtx 1060, which runs more or less any current game at 1080p on max. You only need a bigger card if you want to do VR or super high resolution. Obviously for a quiet machine, liquid cooling is a good idea, so don't skimp on that. I would also purchase a very good power supply, look for one with a 7 year warranty. When your PSU fails it can fry other components if it's a piece of crap. The mobo is important too, newer ones come with moderate protection against static discharge, and have nicer bios utilities for when your RAM dies and you need to troubleshoot

[Peter2k]

A 6 core Intel part, like a 8700K, or 8600K, preferably already delidded and pre binned for 5Ghz or more.
Or a 8086K, as it boosts up to 5Ghz on 1 core and MWO doesn't multihtread well anyway.
I'm very happy with my 7600K @5.2Ghz, especially in MWO (I've delidded that one myself).

An AiO that you like and fits, easy to mount compared to very heavy high end air coolers.

Some fast RAM, like 3000 or 3200 with CL14, the price increase over slower RAM should be negliable at those speeds and more speed isn't worth the greater investment, unless you do go with Ryzen.

21:9 is amazing for MWO and its side windows in the cockpits, and something like a GTX1070, should not be too expensive these days, as long as supply lasts that is.
That said, ya can't go wrong with a 1080 if you can grab one used/cheap.


I wouldn't go 4K quite yet and personally I find MWO's UI too small at 4k, unless you play on a TV (means really big screen).
Also ANY other game you run into would be more GPU limited then MWO, so if one does go 4k one usually needs a beefier GPU than a 1080.

When it comes to the mobo it's more up to what you like from a style point of view and maybe how the Bios looks like.
Would be hard to come by a "bad" Z Intel board at all.

Personally I might make a jump when ZEN 2 comes around, but if you look now, it's still Intel because of its strong IPC and very high clocks.

Edit:
And in before anyone is like "why K, overclocking and why water" n stuff.

Intel TDP is measured at stock clocks without boost, K CPU's have higher boost clocks then the non K parts and you want those higher frequencies even if you do not OC.
And lastly I found the mounting for an AiO usually way easier then very heavy high end air coolers (which are sort of the same price anyway).
Cooling performance is also about noise level, which naturally is also subjective to begin with.


Also I would not say a Ryzen can tame MWO in any way, it might perform ok, but not more.
An Intel locked at 4Ghz is only performing ok either in MWO, it's just the clocks are higher for Intel.
Gonna be interesting what AMD will be able to do on 7nm.

Edited by Peter2k, 15 November 2018 - 12:13 PM.

[InvictusLee]

The response to this thread has just left be awestruck!
Thanks guys! Im going to be looking at your responses in closer detail when i get home from work xD.

[Moldur]

For the everyday person, I think it is much more practical to prioritize better hardware than liquid cooling. You'll be getting way more performance by just getting say, a GTX 1080 compared to buying a GTX 1070, overclocking it, then spending a good bit of coin and effort making a loop for it.

CPUs on the other hand have AIO liquid cooling, but really they are pretty much not worth the price for a 180mm rad. 240mm and 280mm are the most common. They look cool, but in reality, they are pretty much on par with similarly priced/slightly cheaper cpu fans around the $100 mark (these are very high end cpu fans we're talking about, since $30 ones do a very good job in most cases). As far as noise goes, a giant Noctuas are very quiet. Large fans operate at lower rpm and have lower frequency so they are not as annoying as zippy small fans. but really Really AIOs supercede regular cpu coolers in performance once you get to the big boys like the 360s. A point of clarification for the 240mm. Their initial performance is misleadingly good. Under constant load for long sessions, the liquid eventually will plateau as the rate of dissipation and the heat being generated even each other out. This happens at safe temperature unless you're doing something crazy, which you would know if you were, it's just something to note. Make sure you get a good and recent AIO. Not all are made equal. There are several generations of pumps out there, and there have been definite improvements over time.


To directly answer OP's question, cooling and noise are still a bit mutually exclusive, but the latest generations of hardware typically run cooler than previous generations, so a lot of cases focus on noise reduction and aesthetics because there is extra temperature headroom. I'd just get an S340 or something. Put an i7-6700 or 7700 in it paired with a gtx 1070 and it should run mwo without so much as a hiccup, assuming we're running at 1080p. Even that is a tad overkill, but MWO is not the best optimized and has some pretty harsh dips (looking at you solaris city.) If you want it to be extra quiet, go full SSD to eliminate the whine of the HDD. Also, adding some fancy case fans will reduce noise. The main difference between case fans is their bearing type, which is why case fans can vary so much in price. The cheaper the fan, the lower the quiet lifespan generally speaking, as the bearing wears out or just simply can't achieve the same lack of noise of more expensive bearing types.

[Peter2k]

Moldur, on 15 November 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

snip.

Well I think no one mentioned a custom loop, only AiO, and those are more a preference then a necessity, but still quite affordable.

Only one thing I would deviate from your opinion.

I think a 8700K would be better as this IS supposed to be a MWO centric build.

The 8700K boosts up to 4.7Ghz

The 7700K to 4.5
(7700 non K to 4.2)

The 6700K to 4.2
(6700 non K is only 4Ghz)

It does make a difference in MWO.
You can get away with a GTX 1060 even above 1080p (it's just that at this moment there might be more used 10xx cards on the market pushing the price down, why not take advantage while stock lasts?), but for MWO one shouldn't be cheap on the CPU.
I mean if the budget really isn't a problem to put in another 100 bucks into the CPU then I'd even go 8086K, 5Ghz boost.

I'd go only 7700K these days if I can get a really good deal on it, however a 8700K would be beneficial in more modern games as well.

Edited by Peter2k, 15 November 2018 - 04:30 PM.

[LordNothing]

RickySpanish, on 15 November 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

FYI you can run MWO at max settings and 60fps on basically a toaster oven. You certainly do not need to bother with overclocking or even a particularly good graphics card. I was running just fine on a gtx 950 with my 3.3ghz i5. I now use a gtx 1060, which runs more or less any current game at 1080p on max. You only need a bigger card if you want to do VR or super high resolution. Obviously for a quiet machine, liquid cooling is a good idea, so don't skimp on that. I would also purchase a very good power supply, look for one with a 7 year warranty. When your PSU fails it can fry other components if it's a piece of crap. The mobo is important too, newer ones come with moderate protection against static discharge, and have nicer bios utilities for when your RAM dies and you need to troubleshoot

i got into this bad habbit of blaming the psu every time the system started acting weird. i think i replaced the psu on my old 4790k rig like four times. when my brand new corsair 650w sfx supply started acting weird i though id try something different. dremeled a hole in the side of my case and mounted an extra fan. problem went away overnight. when i upgraded i took the old parts stuck it in a mid tower with like 4 fans and one of the old psus that i wrote off as bad and it runs fine. thinking about widening the hole and putting in a second fan if i have problems in the future.

much of the issues with psus back in mid 00s were bad capacitors in circulation. now that old stock has been used up psus seem a lot more reliable. there is no reason a 650w psu shouldn't be able to run <300w in components continuously without failure. but issues with heat will cause the same kinds of problems that will make you suspect the psu.

Edited by LordNothing, 15 November 2018 - 04:54 PM.

[InvictusLee]

This whole thread is alot to digest, but im working on it. Are there resources out there that can teach me what each individual component does and how it interacts with the others?

Also thanks again everyome! I love the tech geek out that is happening here. Who said that GD couldnt produce constructive discussions eh? I dont see a 'brown sea'here ;P