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Why Mw5 Will Be A Flop


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#21 HellJumper

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 11:03 PM

ok so i have not seen the gameplay yet as i was busy yesterday.

2 things that i need to know..

1. have they announced a more solid release date yet?

2. Why is the whole MW5 improved in 1 years time frame? from reading above it kind of feels they did not added much stuff in the game, instead of just took the same kind of gameplay from last year and did it on another map/setting... so whats new they showed in this years demo?

#22 Prototelis

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 11:13 PM

Primary complaints;

The AI didn't twist.

You can walk through a building like a football player bursts through a paper banner.

WHERE ARE THE GOT DAMN SQUISHIES?

#23 Armored Yokai

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 11:23 PM

View PostPrototelis, on 01 December 2018 - 11:13 PM, said:



WHERE ARE THE GOT DAMN SQUISHIES?

They are there! Just need to wait a bit.

#24 Warning incoming Humble Dexterer

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:03 AM

View PostYeonne Greene, on 01 December 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

> Objective of mission is to save the town

> Runs through all the buildings and not a word from the game

The objective was to save the town from the enemy, not from yourself :)

My main issue was that it felt too much like a FPS, hopefully other missions feature bulkier mechs...

And that I don't think there's a multiplayer component (that the old Mechwarrior series did have) : Make it a Lance simulator, with up to 4 players (or bots) teaming up to form a Lance.

#25 UnofficialOperator

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:05 AM

If they can go the whole hog i.e. Microsoft Flight Simulator then they will definitely be a commercial success.

#26 Y E O N N E

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:09 AM

View PostUnofficialOperator, on 02 December 2018 - 12:05 AM, said:

If they can go the whole hog i.e. Microsoft Flight Simulator then they will definitely be a commercial success.


This game will not be remotely close to that.

Shoot, there are no energy management mechanics, and angle of attack doesn't seem to play any sort of role in damage application.

#27 GuardDogg

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:48 AM

Never thought of the bad things. Only wondering with VR headsets will be kewl in MW5. and RTX. Also up to date cockpit. When you see DCS simulator, lighting, graphics, realism, then watch MWO. The MWO cockpit is off from realism.

Edited by GuardDogg, 02 December 2018 - 12:51 AM.


#28 Jackal Noble

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:54 AM

View PostGuardDogg, on 02 December 2018 - 12:48 AM, said:

Never thought of the bad things. Only wondering with VR headsets will be kewl in MW5. and RTX. Also up to date cockpit. When you see DCS simulator, lighting, graphics, realism, then watch MWO. The MWO cockpit is off from realism.

I would wholeheartedly rather have a good thorough game, rather than have silly accessories such as VR or RTX supported reflections 300% of the time, especially if those things detract from the former.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 02 December 2018 - 12:54 AM.


#29 Asym

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 01:48 AM

That's It? Seriously? they took the MW2 concept and merged Mercenaries and wa-la ! A new game based on old ideas?

Holy crap............ I'm speechless.......

#30 LordNothing

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 01:49 AM

its definitely in the 'wait until steam sale' category of games i will probably get eventually, when the price drops through the floor, play it once and never finish.

Edited by LordNothing, 02 December 2018 - 01:51 AM.


#31 Gusevich

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 02:11 AM

Holy **** that trailer looked bad... That AI just looks like a typical potato QP match but worse.


Also i knew it will happen, but the amount of reused assets, ****** animations and lack of anything interesting just shocked me (even tho i hate PGI and i knew they will try to serve another minimally viable product). Yep, MW5 will flop, just as i felt earlier this year.

#32 HGAK47

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 02:31 AM

View PostJackal Noble, on 01 December 2018 - 10:56 PM, said:

Yes with a mechlab absolutely, albeit with a time aspect. IE you cant just flop a 300 in your Tbolt. Techs have to install it and it takes time. Also battle salvage, but more complex than "you've found a Large Laser!" maybe a focal lense here, maybe a capacitor there etc. before you can have enough parts to build a weapon.


I dont know about others but I would really really like this, make MW5 into a multiplayer spinoff of MWO. Bring in true salvage, more customisation, more meaningful factions and more concequence to our actions and BOOM you have it - the game MWO should have been.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 04:44 AM

The fatalism of this forum is beyond nihilistic. Bugger me can you kids have any enthusiasm for anything?

#34 Kaeb Odellas

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:25 AM

The gameplay shown in the demo looks a lot like MWO closed beta in terms of pace. The enemy AI reminds me of MW4, which is about what I expected.

If the single player campaign is just HBS BattleTech with real time mech sim instead of turn based strategy, I'd probably be way into that.

#35 ice trey

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:35 AM

I think they game could be good, but for me a lot of it is going to ride on how much effort they put in making missions, and the effort they put into making a story.

HBS had a fun romp, albeit short lived. If there was similar effort into putting interesting characters in the game, and ideally making the people that hire you not steal the show like a DMPC of some kind, it could draw you in. Likewise, if missions are just "Go here, kill the dudes, come back", it's going to be the same boring hamster wheel as this game. Escort missions, recon missions, stealth missions, and missions taking place in interesting landscapes. They need to take a few minutes out to just play the old mechwarrior titles, and if they can take five minutes to not salivate over the solaris 7 sportstravaganzas like everyone else ever, I'm sure they'll find some fun missions that they can draw inspiration from.

Or we could end up with a procedurally generated go-here-kill-that nascar track of a game that is effectively MWO with bots and nicer graphics. That's what I am keeping my ear to the ground for. In the end, I'm going to be picking it up, and hope PGI can pleasantly surprise me, but these past seven years have left me sceptical.

#36 Acersecomic

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:38 AM

Relax. There is almost a year left to release. That is a lot of time for polish, refinement and development.
I mean, even if it is bad, people still play Destiny and look at how bad that game is. Survives only.because of witless Bungie fanboy hordes.

Edited by Acersecomic, 02 December 2018 - 05:39 AM.


#37 El Bandito

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:46 AM

Still better than Star Citizen.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:50 AM

View PostIronWatch, on 02 December 2018 - 04:44 AM, said:

The fatalism of this forum is beyond nihilistic. Bugger me can you kids have any enthusiasm for anything?


I liked the gameplay alot. The graphics improved tenfold and this is gonna be a real spiritual successor to the old Mechwarrior games. The trailer was ok but I learned that you can't trust trailers, I disregard them most of the time. I look forward to it, very much so and I'm sure that PGI has close contact to Catalyst regarding story and lore, probably even enlisted writers from them, considering they also do this for their exclusive mechs. What many people here are forgetting is that PGI single-handledy kept Mechwarrior on PC alive for a very long time. I don't regret a single dime I spent on MWO even if I'm less enthuisastic about it nowadays(which isn't surprising with a playtime of 1000hrs+).

P.S.: Someone asked for Lance gameplay and the game supports exactly 4 man coop. They even showcased coop on the con.

#39 Kaeb Odellas

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 05:59 AM

View PostAsym, on 02 December 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

That's It? Seriously? they took the MW2 concept and merged Mercenaries and wa-la ! A new game based on old ideas?

Holy crap............ I'm speechless.......


I'm not sure what you're talking about with merging MW2 and the Mercenaries concept. There is literally a MW2: Mercenaries game that followed up on MW2 decades ago. Same with MW4. The difference here is that PGI decided to build the Mercenaries game first instead of making a traditional linear campaign and putting out a Mercenaries sequel afterwards.

And it's the 5th numbered game in a very long running series. Of course it's going to be a new game based on old ideas. That's what sequels are.

Also, it's voilà.

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 06:08 AM

View PostEl Bandito, on 02 December 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

Still better than Star Citizen.

At least Star Citizen is using modern software that looks "first world"................and, I almost fell for their hype.....almost.





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