Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
lol. Do you honestly thing you've made any good points?
Earlier you said: "Good mechs and weapons are fun to play. People like to play them, so they play them more."
This brilliant argument is why I brought up comp play.
This does not change how little bearing competitive has on the overall representation of the veagle in quickplay. The Veagle is popular in quickplay because its fun to play. It's not popular because NAVID or Sean Lang play it.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
You're intentionally making a braindead argument here. There is no reason to nerf urbanmechs.
By your logic there is. If you're dragging competitive performances into the argument then by your logic any mech that can outperform you is ripe for a nerf.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
Please, explain to me why Veagles are easier to fit into optimized decks than any other medium mech? I fail to grasp this point.
I already did.
pbiggz, on 17 October 2021 - 09:02 PM, said:
The Veagle is relatively fast, it has good hardpoints, 55 tons is a very good weight class in general for balancing firepower, durability, and speed, perhaps the best, and its a Clan Battlemech. That's why its good.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
Ok, so the poll isn't good enough, and comp play doesn't do it for you, and the combination of the 2 doesn't convince you either. And, you don't understand why they are so widely used in every single game mode. Good luck, sir.
I never denied they were popular, I said they aren't overrepresented. They aren't anything more than marginally more popular than other mechs. You are taking two entirely irrelevant pieces of information and presenting them as sacrosanct because you already think the veagle is OP, this just confirms your opinion.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
lol, no.
Confirmation bias is a *****.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
Please, try to make a coherent argument. Are you saying it's not popular, or are you saying it's not good? Or are you saying we have no idea whether it's popular or good, without the official statistics?
Oh I'm certain its good. I'm certain its popular. I think it should be good, and it should be popular. That's where we are conflicting here. You think if a mech is popular enough, and fun enough to play, its somehow inherently in need of nerfs. I'm arguing that mechs and weapons that feel good and fun to play should be left as is because it's a ******* video game people play for fun.
We tried the paul inouye retribution balance approach and it was a disaster. We tried the Chris Lowrey wet noodle balance approach and it was also a disaster. What more proof do you need to see that your idea of balance for this game is elaborate suicide for the playerbase? I can only imagine this comes out of your account being created in 2019, and you simply not experiencing the rise and fall of this game, as well as the miracle revival it had. Games like this, don't usually ever get a second chance. Squandering it to make you happy because you don't like it when people play what they want, is a ******* waste.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
I play this game enough, and I understand the game enough, to know that it's the strongest mech in the game, and it's the most popular mech in both comp & FP.
This is anecdote and nothing more.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
QP is more casual, and people tend to bring whatever mech needs skill points, etc. Also, comp could have fluctuations by season due to varying rules. Comparing it to similar mechs, it stands out from the crown in a way that no other mech in the game does. That's why you rarely see good players playing Huntsman anymore. The Huntsman is still a good mech... but the Veagle rendered it obsolete.
So A: You're admitting your anecdotes are heavily impacted by any number of externalities, and B: These are more anecdotes.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
"bad hitboxes" - yeah, right. Also: outgunned? It can't be "outgunned by many mechs" AND be considered a glass cannon at the same time. Your arguments don't even make sense.
Are you playing stupid, or are you actually stupid? A 55 ton glass cannon is different from a 100 ton glass cannon and if you need someone to explain that to you, then you know far less about this game than you think you do.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
It's outgunned by Annihilators, but it has extremely high firepower for its weight class. And it's not a glass cannon - maybe you just lack the piloting skill to use it effectively.
Ah good, comparing a 55 tonner to the most heavily armed assault mech in the game because that will provide us with so much useful information. And it is a glass cannon, which you would know if you bothered to shoot it instead of lamenting every time you saw it.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
Jump jets alone give it better survivability than a Stormcrow.
The stormcrow, an excellent example of a powerful mech that got nerfed into the ground because people like you were too busy whining about it to bother shooting it. The scarecrow is notoriously bad these days, so, just like comparing it to a ******* annihilator, this provides us with exactly zero useful information.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
Lastly, I never claimed that PGI should just shoot from the hip & nerf it. I understand that they will use the official stats while balancing the game. My recommendation is for them to use negative quirks as a solution for the Veagle.
It's literally what you're advocating for. You want reactionary nerfs for things you think are overperforming. Your "solution" is for a problem you think exists.
Fainting Goat, on 18 October 2021 - 03:58 AM, said:
Now you're complaining about ad-hominems, while still accusing me of "crying" over getting killed by Veagles?
You're trash. Bring any medium you want, and 1v1 me. I'll bring a Veagle. It should be no problem for you to beat a glass cannon mech with bad hitboxes & no defensive quirks.
Ad hominem.