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[Dee Eight]

such that your losses so far on a season exceed your wins, that the matchmaker continuously puts you with other players in a similar situation so that it just continues to snowball with more and more losses barring acts of god or lightning strikes than you should actually win once in awhile. And conversely if you've pulled ahead on the season in the wins column, you'll continue to get other players in the same boat and thus its likely the winning will continue.

[Dogstar]

Yep, that's why you should stop playing if you start getting a streak of losses.

Also, I've noticed that it continues over into other games - lose four games in MWO, give up and try WoT and you'll carry on losing!

[Kotzi]

Well, its called PSR for a reason, Personal Suck Rating;).

[InspectorG]

Its always 50/50. There will be streaks. Specially with the average skill level.


PSR = potato saturation rating. Potatoes float.

[Variant1]

i recomend after losing a match to just wait a few minutes so mm pairs the low match score players on the next match, hopefully after waiting a few minutes mm should put you with players with better avg match score. mm in general is not good

But you shouldnt be playing to win in general in qp, quikc play is for fun and if your fun is winning then your going to have a bad time because of the aformentioned match maker

[R Valentine]

My personal performance always dwindles when I get on losing streaks because I get impatient. I can deal with losses where I personally did 700+ damage with 2 or more KMDDs. What I hate is when I do less than 500. It's always difficult to balance being aggressive and putting yourself in a spot where you can fire on enemies and not over-extending or getting too far away from your teammates to where the enemy team can just run over you. When you get cowards or nastards who just have to avoid getting shot at all costs you often find yourself totally cut off from any viable access to targets. Any shot you take involves getting hit by 4 enemies in return, which isn't going to lead to any high scores. MM will always be the biggest deciding factor in wins and losses. The best we can do is not make fools of ourselves in each of those losses.

[RickySpanish]

Win/loss depends a lot on what time of day you play at, the metagame can shift noticeably meaning that a 'Mech you were running the day before that racked in match after match of sheer awesome is now not carrying your team. It's rather frustrating because I find that in order to win, I have to just repeatedly run the most boring builds, like laser boat HBR or gauss DS. Anything else is just not good enough to rise above the sea of Nightstars, Atlases, Ravens, Uziels etc etc that find their way on to my team. I'm presently sitting on a handy losing streak as my Ghillie has 12 SP invested in it, and 400 damage is not anywhere near enough to turn the tides. One day though, I will get my first head shot in it.

[Nightbird]

Same way that slot machines have hot and cold periods, it's all psychological

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Five losses in a row in solo queue, unless there's an event reward I really must have, is my limit now. After the fifth consecutive loss, I close the game and go do something else (usually something non-interactive, like youtube vids or reading a book, so that my frustration with one game doesn't cripple me in the next one I play). The next time I log in, I'm in a better mood (or I'm running with a group that doesn't mind derping a little in the name of fun), and the streak breaks.

I think the worst loss streak I've ever had was about a dozen... that was one of the kill+win+survive events. Wasn't really worth it; I ended up selling the 'Mech anyway because Victors were hot steaming garbage at the time. After that I took a hard pass on every other survival-required event until PGI stopped doing them.

For breaking a loss streak before it truly starts, though... if I really want to keep playing, I'll set aside whatever I planned on running and drop a trollmech instead after the third bad loss. Usually the lulziness or challenge factor is enough to put me in a better headspace, and since I'm running a trollmech I don't have the right to complain about other people derping either. More often than not, the streak breaks right then and there, with the trollmech delivering a respectable performance and pulling me out of my slump... or, if it doesn't, at least I end the night on something fun instead of something rage-inducing. AC20 Raven or LB20X Incubus are my slump smashers of choice most of the time.

Sometimes it sure seems like the matchmaker is out to get you... but that's human perception. You're more likely to have a particularly bad game stick in your head, while forgetting all about the mediocre wins in between. I've had nights where I came away from the game feeling like I'd had an unbroken loss streak, only to check up on my stats and discover I'd at least broken even.

[RickySpanish]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 23 January 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

Five losses in a row in solo queue, unless there's an event reward I really must have, is my limit now. After the fifth consecutive loss, I close the game and go do something else (usually something non-interactive, like youtube vids or reading a book, so that my frustration with one game doesn't cripple me in the next one I play). The next time I log in, I'm in a better mood (or I'm running with a group that doesn't mind derping a little in the name of fun), and the streak breaks.

I think the worst loss streak I've ever had was about a dozen... that was one of the kill+win+survive events. Wasn't really worth it; I ended up selling the 'Mech anyway because Victors were hot steaming garbage at the time. After that I took a hard pass on every other survival-required event until PGI stopped doing them.

For breaking a loss streak before it truly starts, though... if I really want to keep playing, I'll set aside whatever I planned on running and drop a trollmech instead after the third bad loss. Usually the lulziness or challenge factor is enough to put me in a better headspace, and since I'm running a trollmech I don't have the right to complain about other people derping either. More often than not, the streak breaks right then and there, with the trollmech delivering a respectable performance and pulling me out of my slump... or, if it doesn't, at least I end the night on something fun instead of something rage-inducing. AC20 Raven or LB20X Incubus are my slump smashers of choice most of the time.

Sometimes it sure seems like the matchmaker is out to get you... but that's human perception. You're more likely to have a particularly bad game stick in your head, while forgetting all about the mediocre wins in between. I've had nights where I came away from the game feeling like I'd had an unbroken loss streak, only to check up on my stats and discover I'd at least broken even.

S-SRM Pakheet, for all those times you don't care what happens, so long as someone on the enemy team has a rougher time than you.

[Steel Raven]

I'm one of those guys who chalks it up to match making but only because different mechs get me drops with different teams with very different results. Though allot more goes into match maker like number of player and open servers but how the algorithm reads you stats for a particular mech does play a small part in who it pits you against.

Then again, sometime you just need to take a break. I sometimes find myself playing better after playing some KF2 or Indie platform that still demands quick reflexes but breaks me from my MWO habits.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

I get equally stuck in win streaks or loss streaks, sometimes over 10 times in a row, specially when there's few players around and the MatchMaker keeps recreating the same team unbalance after each match. It's just that it's easier to notice the loss streaks.

When stuck in a loss streak, avoid queuing right back with the same mech just after the match ends for everyone : Switch Mech tonnage or launch a few minutes after your match ends.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

so you think

1) the PGI match maker is that advanced

2) there is enough population to make that feasible.

? ? ?

[El Bandito]

It is called tilting.

[GeminiWolf]

Dee Eight, on 23 January 2019 - 12:27 AM, said:

such that your losses so far on a season exceed your wins, that the matchmaker continuously puts you with other players in a similar situation so that it just continues to snowball with more and more losses barring acts of god or lightning strikes than you should actually win once in awhile. And conversely if you've pulled ahead on the season in the wins column, you'll continue to get other players in the same boat and thus its likely the winning will continue.

Wait 10 minutes, then clicked play again... you will be with a different group of players instead of dropping with the same players over and over again. I do this if I keep landing on teams of the same players who have a different playstyle than I do.

[Dee Eight]

S 0 L E N Y A, on 23 January 2019 - 02:35 PM, said:

so you think

1) the PGI match maker is that advanced

2) there is enough population to make that feasible.

? ? ?

Well the are those who have tracked the stats of dozens and hundreds of matches checking the stats on every player on each team and there's a definite recurring pattern where the matchmaker loads the best on one side and whatever is left over onto the other side.

[Bombast]

Dee Eight, on 23 January 2019 - 07:51 PM, said:

Well the are those who have tracked the stats of dozens and hundreds of matches checking the stats on every player on each team and there's a definite recurring pattern where the matchmaker loads the best on one side and whatever is left over onto the other side.

I'd like to see those 100+ stat tracks. Everyone I've done myself or seen anyone else post has been negative in that respect.

Personally, I find that when I'm in a losing streak, and I mean a real losing streak, its because...

Kiran Yagami, on 23 January 2019 - 09:43 AM, said:

My personal performance always dwindles when I get on losing streaks because I get impatient.

El Bandito, on 23 January 2019 - 06:12 PM, said:

It is called tilting.

You lose a bit, which happens, and it changes the way you play for the worst. Then you lose more, and you start playing even worse. And then 20 minutes later your completely inconsolable and in a manic state of play, sabotaging yourself. I found there's two way to try and combat it.

1. Don't leave a match when you die. Force yourself to stay. It allows for some down time, lets you check out the match to see whats happening and if you could have done something different, and I find that I'm generally a bit more reserved when playing a match if I've resolved to not leave immediately upon death.

2. Stop playing. At a certain point, you'll get so frustrated there's no way to save your play session. Don't let it get that bad.

[El Bandito]

Bombast, on 24 January 2019 - 04:13 AM, said:

1. Don't leave a match when you die. Force yourself to stay. It allows for some down time, lets you check out the match to see whats happening and if you could have done something different, and I find that I'm generally a bit more reserved when playing a match if I've resolved to not leave immediately upon death.

^ This. By staying after my death I can offer advice to the survivors of my team and help them to turn the match around. Happened many times.

[R Valentine]

El Bandito, on 24 January 2019 - 05:52 AM, said:

^ This. By staying after my death I can offer advice to the survivors of my team and help them to turn the match around. Happened many times.

I often find spectating people playing badly makes me even more titled.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Variant1, on 23 January 2019 - 09:27 AM, said:

i recomend after losing a match to just wait a few minutes so mm pairs the low match score players on the next match, hopefully after waiting a few minutes mm should put you with players with better avg match score. mm in general is not good

But you shouldnt be playing to win in general in qp, quikc play is for fun and if your fun is winning then your going to have a bad time because of the aformentioned match maker

I tend to operate the same way. If I get into 2-3 matches in a row, I take a 15 minute or so break. It is almost if the MM gets lazy and instead of randomizing each and every match, it just finds it easier to toss you in with many of the same players that lost the last match with you. Give it 15 minutes and the MM stops doing that.

On the other hand, if you find your winning, punch that drop button as fast as you can cause it works in reverse here, at least until enough of the losers get fed up and break or quit forcing the MM to again randomize the teams.

Don't know if this is true or not but it sure feels that way and 90% of the time that short break will get me out of the slump.

As far as winning or losing in QP, yeah I don't mind losing when the match is close and I am able to put up good results because of it, however when is a loss simply because your team just can't get it together, it is beyond frustrating, especially if this occurs multiple matches in a row.