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[Variant1]

Yiryi-Sa, on 31 January 2019 - 03:08 PM, said:

I... don't even know how anyone is supposed to respond to this? So, you're okay with the exploit not only existing, but persisting or am I inferring it incorrectly?

Im offering some solutions to players while the problem is being worked on, the best we can do is change up playstyles for now while we wait for the problem to be fixed. And ya shouldnt be face tanking racs in general, if youre a brawler then find some cover to break away from the stream of bullets

edit: and torso twist, always twist like your break dancin

Edited by Variant1, 31 January 2019 - 03:12 PM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Variant1, on 31 January 2019 - 03:12 PM, said:

Im offering some solutions to players while the problem is being worked on, the best we can do is change up playstyles for now while we wait for the problem to be fixed. And ya shouldnt be face tanking racs in general, if youre a brawler then find some cover to break away from the stream of bullets

Torso twisting helps, too. Okay, so I inferred incorrectly. Gaining a vertical advantage against RAC2 mech builds can also help, as the RAC2s are usually torso mounted and can't be adjusted accordingly.

[justcallme A S H]

Hazeclaw, on 31 January 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kovfefening, I won't believe you until I see photoshopped proof

ASH, keep up, we've been in 2019 for like a month now

lol.

I legitimately am actually waiting for a photoshopped piece of "evidence". I mean, there is nowhere else to go.

[Kubernetes]

Variant1, on 31 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

or you could just go into cover and wait a few seconds? it takes sometime for the racs to spool to fire. Seems logicly best way to counter it is to chill behind cover a bit, its what i usualy do against racs anyways jus sayin >_>

We're talking about an exploit that makes boated RAC2s pump out significantly higher DPS for significantly less heat than is intended. And your solution to this cheat is to hide behind a rock? Have you faced a mech boating 4 or 5 of these? It makes the old KDK-3 look like a peashooter. Seriously, stfu until you've got something meaningful to say.

[Variant1]

Yiryi-Sa, on 31 January 2019 - 03:13 PM, said:

Torso twisting helps, too. Okay, so I inferred incorrectly. Gaining a vertical advantage against RAC2 mech builds can also help, as the RAC2s are usually torso mounted and can't be adjusted accordingly.

Now were cookin with flamers i like your style

Kubernetes, on 31 January 2019 - 03:16 PM, said:

We're talking about an exploit that makes boated RAC2s pump out significantly higher DPS for significantly less heat than is intended. And your solution to this cheat is to hide behind a rock? Have you faced a mech boating 4 or 5 of these? It makes the old KDK-3 look like a peashooter. Seriously, stfu until you've got something meaningful to say.

If you have any better solution im all ears, im hopin pgi will fix this but knowin them it might take a while but until then a strategy is needed with dealing with the exploit. And i have faced these before as i mentioned earlier, i go behind cover since it take time for the racs to spool up. like you need to take a chill pill fam

[Kubernetes]

Variant1, on 31 January 2019 - 03:22 PM, said:

Now were cookin with flamers i like your style

If you have any better solution im all ears, im hopin pgi will fix this but knowin them it might take a while but until then a strategy is needed with dealing with the exploit. And i have faced these before as i mentioned earlier, i go behind cover since it take time for the racs to spool up. like you need to take a chill pill fam

Yes, I started this thread, which details the very solution to this problem. It's called 'Stop playing until PGI gets their **** together.". This is not some minor bug, it is literally gamebreaking because of how powerful it is. Most mechs won't ever make it to cover before dying or getting halved. Torso-twisting? Yay, just let them saw off every little bit of you, because they won't overheat before you die.

Edited by Kubernetes, 31 January 2019 - 03:34 PM.

[The Lost Boy]

The worst thing about Koniving is that he gives all this (BAD) advice about MWO, with 10s of thousands of posts. With like 1500 games played?! Dude just play the game 1/2 as much as you post about it , and you might learn how to play it. FFS!

Edited by The Lost Boy, 31 January 2019 - 03:53 PM.

[thievingmagpi]

The Lost Boy, on 31 January 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

The wort thing about Koniving is that he gives all this (BAD) advice about MWO, with 10s of thousands of posts. With like 1500 games played?! Dude just play the game 1/2 as much as you post about it , and you might learn how to play it. FFS!

hey but this one time in 2013 he got 3 kills in a jenner with lrms so it's fine

[Variant1]

Kubernetes, on 31 January 2019 - 03:29 PM, said:

Yes, I started this thread, which details the very solution to this problem. It's called 'Stop playing until PGI gets their **** together.". This is not some minor bug, it is literally gamebreaking because of how powerful it is. Most mechs won't ever make it to cover before dying or getting halved. Torso-twisting? Yay, just let them saw off every little bit of you, because they won't overheat before you die.

If you dont want to play until the problem is patched thats fine. Also if you out in the open that you need to run to cover to not die a rac macro is not your only problem, should always be next to cover especialy against lrms. Yeah not much can be done when twisting but its better than getting cored.........

[justcallme A S H]

Variant1, on 31 January 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

If you dont want to play until the problem is patched thats fine. Also if you out in the open that you need to run to cover to not die a rac macro is not your only problem, should always be next to cover especialy against lrms. Yeah not much can be done when twisting but its better than getting cored.........

Dude, to be fair, I don't think you understand just HOW bad the Macro is. You can kill a fresh Anni with full survival tree - in under 2.7 seconds. Normally it would take around 5 seconds.

So imagine what will happen to a mech of lesser weight class without as much armour/quirks. It's got nothing to do with cover and everything to do with the raw DPS increase.

It's all good and well to say torso twist... I assure you Kuber knows how to play so that is absolutely not the issue here.

[Bowelhacker]

Variant1, on 31 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

or you could just go into cover and wait a few seconds? it takes sometime for the racs to spool to fire. Seems logicly best way to counter it is to chill behind cover a bit, its what i usualy do against racs anyways jus sayin >_>

How do you know they are spooling up until they start firing? Do you have sensors I don't?

[Parmeggido]

So... There are only 2 macros I've known of in the entire time I've played MWO that really give someone an advantage. The first is from way back, when you could go through all your weapon groups to clear weapon jams. That one was fixed a long time ago, when they removed that mechanic entirely. The other was using a macro with machine guns. Now begins the speculation, because I really don't know what I'm talking about, just guessing. Machine guns use rate of fire instead of cooldown, which meant they were ready to fire whenever you pushed the button. By using a quick macro, you could pump out bullets faster than the rof would normally allow because it would fire every press. This had an interesting and easily detectable side effect though. It would break the games sound as it tried to keep up with the much faster than normal sound calls. I really did not like playing with the guy that used this macro, because I like my sound.

Now, I can speculate about the RAC macro. Again, RACs are rate of fire, vs cooldown. this would point back to some of the old MG macro problem, but unlike MGs, RACs produce heat. Being ROF, we can probably assume they produce heat not with each bullet, but on how long the button is held down. So by only having the button pressed only for each bullet, you have a tiny window where you produce heat vs someone holding the key down. If PGI could code it for per bullet heat instead of heat over duration, it may still increase dps but at least the heat would scale with the extra firepower. Then again, my speculation could be entirely wrong.

[Prototelis]

justcallme A S H, on 31 January 2019 - 03:16 PM, said:

lol.

I legitimately am actually waiting for a photoshopped piece of "evidence".

Bro, were you not paying attention to tabgate? He used MS paint.

[The Lost Boy]

TABGATE!!!!!!!

You sir are my hero!

[Luminis]

I think you guys can stop bashing Koniving - he for called out and won't be back to read any of this, as predicted

As for the topic, I, too, find it harder to enjoy the game with exploits like this in the wild. While they're not as abundant as I initially expected, it's still a blatantly obvious issue. Granted, most 3x RAC2 builds seemed to play fair, but there's also been a few 4x or 5x RAC2 builds wandering around that were clearly using the exploit. If it's piloted with a modicum of competence, such a build can absolutely dominate match. Luckily, these cases been few and far between, but experiencing it once was enough to make me apprehensive.

And while I'm fairly certain that nobody will get banned over this, I'm at least content with PGI's customer service for turning my active prem time into banked prem time so I at least an not wasting anything while playing less due to wanting to just walk away from the game after an encounter akin to the one described above.

Edited by Luminis, 31 January 2019 - 11:30 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Dee Eight, on 31 January 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

And flamers... just as you can use the fire control macro software to keep rac's from jamming, you can keep flamers from heat spiking. Which is why things like the piranha 2s and 3s can brawl with the flamers firing continuously for like thirty seconds and still have heat left to use their micro lasers and never shut down even with only 10 heat sinks.

Maybe i had my timing wrong but when I tried it on mg and flamers last weekend I didnt see much if any improvement. Rac2 I did and you can visually see it with a set of rac5.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

As nightbird pointed out, the exploit should not work on flamers and mgs in a live environment.

[Der Geisterbaer]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 31 January 2019 - 11:48 PM, said:

As nightbird pointed out, the exploit should not work on flamers and mgs in a live environment.

My tests in a private lobby would suggest otherwise ... at least when it comes to flamers.

[justcallme A S H]

Luminis, on 31 January 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

He for called out and won't be back to read any of this, as predicted

Never does then a discussion gets into the facts and proof.

Well there was that one time MS Paint came to the rescue as "proof". Internet never forgets

Luminis, on 31 January 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

As for the topic, I, too, find it harder to enjoy the game with exploits like this in the wild. While they're not as abundant as I initially expected, it's still a blatantly obvious issue. Granted, most 3x RAC2 builds seemed to play fair, but there's also been a few 4x or 5x RAC2 builds wandering around that were clearly using the exploit. If it's piloted with a modicum of competence, such a build can absolutely dominate match. Luckily, these cases been few and far between, but experiencing it once was enough to make me apprehensive.

Yeah it really becomes a bit worse when using say RAC2 x 4 and ghost heat, being more efficient there while slapping out some silly DPS... It's big ouchies.

IMO just ban Macros all together - put a BIG splash screen/warning for users - problem solved and never have to worry about it again with anything else that may or may not come along.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

IMO big signs mean nothing if what they say can not be enforced.