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[Dee Eight]

MechaBattler, on 31 January 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

I'm sure they're working on it. But from the sounds of it, it isn't going to be a simple fix of just changing some stats around. It's effecting more than just racs.

The only solution really is to declare the fire control macro now banned, as other game companies also do not allow macros from being used.

[Koniving]

Xeno Phalcon, on 31 January 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:

Oh it gets even better, apparently theres something to do with mguns as well - hope you like (potential) macro piranhas -.^

Not sure what a macro could possibly do in the case of MGs.

Macros work by STOPPING and STARTING the button press, so no matter how you look at it, its more like a chain fire that actually works faster than one press every half second, but SLOWER than holding the button down on your own.

So as opposed to holding the button down and doing maximum DPS... you lower the DPS in order to get a cool little effect.

The benefits of doing so include a cool effect, slightly reduced heat buildup, reducing your overall single strike impact in favor of a more spread DPS approach...at the sacrifice of total DPS... and feeling good about having more guns than ghost heat would normally let you use.

Aside from the "look" of it... NONE of these apply to machine guns for any ACTUAL benefits.

RAC, I could see that. Akin to the Flamers of old, RACs use how long you hold the button to say "Hey its time to exponentially multiply the heat and trigger a jam!" Except the timer isn't going up because you're letting go, pressing, letting go, pressing, letting go, pressing...

But nothing actually applies to machine guns. Please don't spread nonsense. And if there's a benefit I've somehow missed, do share it because frankly as someone that uses a macro to get 3 AC/2s to give me a cool burst fire effect, I know for a fact that I actually neuter myself in doing so rather than get an advantage.

[Prototelis]

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Koniving]

Dee Eight, on 31 January 2019 - 12:46 PM, said:

The only solution really is to declare the fire control macro now banned, as other game companies also do not allow macros from being used.

Name one.
It isn't something game companies can control.
With few exceptions, they worsen your performance.

[MechaBattler]

Dee Eight, on 31 January 2019 - 12:46 PM, said:

The only solution really is to declare the fire control macro now banned, as other game companies also do not allow macros from being used.

They've declared exploiting racs with the macro is bannable. Has that stopped people? It's an issue with a game mechanic, they have to fix it. Not just say you can't use it.

[Koniving]

Prototelis, on 31 January 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

You didn't even spend 3 seconds reading before claiming that.
I use macros a lot. Done nothing but worsen my stats.
I use them to significantly reduce the firing rates here. But even at full speed such as this..

DPS is lost by doing this, by spreading it out by fractions of a second.

And getting around ghost heat... that's just cutting DPS even more.

You should perhaps educate yourself.

I also even explained exactly how the RAC macro works, despite never having used it myself, and you're welcome to ask anyone that does use the exploit or to look at it yourself. It works exactly as I described because its the only way a macro could create the advantage, as it is the only way that macros work.

[Koniving]

Prototelis, on 31 January 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Having done the Flamer macro, which is far simpler and doesn't even require a macro... as MWO is its own macro machine...

This is how it works.
As you can see, DPS is lost in favor of another benefit, in this case removing the ******** heat buildup on a weapon that did 0.14 damage per second.
For 2 tons, I get a "flamer" machine gun that does 0.14 damage per second instead of 0.28 damage per second.
The rac exploit does something akin to this, but faster, to keep the guns revved up and able to fire while also significantly reducing the "timer" of the RAC jam and heat buildup.

Education is something you shouldn't squander, perhaps you should take a moment to reflect on that and try leading rather than blindly following other people as you often do, little Gremlin,

The exploit here, is that by cheating out of that, a significantly powerful weapon can potentially outperform its intended performance by a considerable margin, though Chris Lowry said that the DPS actually still equals out, we shall see.

Just because I'm on a tablet and AT WORK and don't care to cater to an *******'s need for proof on something that happened years ago (and tier 1 players still play with tier 4 on occasion even today) doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, it means I want your friend to get off his lazy *** and educate himself. He's got all the time in the world, I don't.

Edited by Koniving, 31 January 2019 - 01:10 PM.

[Prototelis]

What in the **** do those videos from 2013 have to do with this?

Oh yeah. Nothing.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Koniving, on 31 January 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

Please don't spread nonsense.

Why do you get to be the only one? meanie.

[Angel of Annihilation]

If I didn't know there was an exploit, I wouldn't even be suspicious of an exploit. That is how much difference I see the current situations with RACs vs all the time between now and when the RACs when the first came out. My point is, it sounds like the OP is all of a sudden noticing a "problem" where none existed previously because lets be honest here, until the posts about the RAC exploit, not one person was ranting and raving on the forums about how OP RAC's were. In fact, I think I saw more posts crying about how weak sauce RACs felt than anything else.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there isn't an exploit. What I am saying though is I think the OP is probably jumping at shadows assuming that because there is a exploit, every time he is on the receiving end of RACs that person must be using the exploit. If he didn't know about the exploit he would just assume it was business as usually rather than suspect someone was cheating per se.

[Ssamout]

Angel of Annihilation, on 31 January 2019 - 01:33 PM, said:

In fact, I think I saw more posts crying about how weak sauce RACs felt than anything else.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there isn't an exploit. What I am saying though is I think the OP is probably jumping at shadows assuming that because there is a exploit, every time he is on the receiving end of RACs that person must be using the exploit. If he didn't know about the exploit he would just assume it was business as usually rather than suspect someone was cheating per se.

I doubt Kubernetes is jumping at shadows unless there is someone hiding. Racs have felt weak sauce since they came. Usually you can just give them the finger and wait for overheat/jam and kill the annoying git.

[Nightbird]

Xeno Phalcon, on 31 January 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:

Oh it gets even better, apparently theres something to do with mguns as well - hope you like (potential) macro piranhas -.^

MGs are not affected. I tested this with Cheekiez. On testing grounds, you can increase the fire rate of MGs with a macro, but in private lobby it does not work.

[justcallme A S H]

Koniving, on 31 January 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

Please don't spread nonsense.

As you are the chief nonsense spreader around this forum I find that statement to be the most hilarious if not totally delusional thing you've ever posted.

I mean you claimed the Match Maker let Tier 1s in with Tier 5s not two days ago and it's like that from 2017 and I should talk to Chris about it... ->SEE HERE<- (you going to come back with your proof?)

And then when I asked you to provide evidence to your totally false claim, you couldn't (as usual). I could provide proof though because I know how things actually work and never make up false claims. Of course once you did that you disappeared from the discussion (as usual).

Time to do that again here. You're wrong.

Koniving, on 31 January 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

And if there's a benefit I've somehow missed,

You have missed it, entirely, as usual. Posting a bunch of low-skill videos from 2013 doesn't help when we are in 2018 and there are game breaking issues being causes by macro usage. Breaking -as in- increased DPS that even the best Starcraft 2 player from Korea could not macro spam with their own finger.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 31 January 2019 - 03:01 PM.

[Rustyhammer]

If anyone is annoyed by RAC macro, they can always go and play FP on IS side.
You won't see a single RAC mech on the enemy team

[Xeno Phalcon]

Nightbird, on 31 January 2019 - 01:52 PM, said:

MGs are not affected. I tested this with Cheekiez. On testing grounds, you can increase the fire rate of MGs with a macro, but in private lobby it does not work.

Good to know.

[HammerMaster]

#Ash
#Konniving
I honestly wish you guys could come to the table and hash things out.

Edited by HammerMaster, 31 January 2019 - 02:33 PM.

[mad kat]

justcallme A S H, on 31 January 2019 - 02:10 PM, said:

2 mean you claimed the Match Maker let Tier 1s in with Tier 5s not two days ago...
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Hate to break it to you but it does. Fact. And regularly too.

[Variant1]

or you could just go into cover and wait a few seconds? it takes sometime for the racs to spool to fire. Seems logicly best way to counter it is to chill behind cover a bit, its what i usualy do against racs anyways jus sayin >_>

[K O Z A K]

Kovfefening, I won't believe you until I see photoshopped proof

ASH, keep up, we've been in 2019 for like a month now

[Yiryi-Sa]

Variant1, on 31 January 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

or you could just go into cover and wait a few seconds? it takes sometime for the racs to spool to fire. Seems logicly best way to counter it is to chill behind cover a bit, its what i usualy do against racs anyways jus sayin >_>

I... don't even know how anyone is supposed to respond to this? So, you're okay with the exploit not only existing, but persisting or am I inferring it incorrectly?

Edited by Yiryi-Sa, 31 January 2019 - 03:08 PM.