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[LordNothing]

Thorqemada, on 01 February 2019 - 01:52 AM, said:

Yeah, around the end of year holiday Season i will upgrade my System to Ryzen 7nm, at least Ryzen 3600x, and curiously play MWO for how much it has the Performance improved and what it means for the gameplay...

...will still use my RX480 Nitro+ 8GB and wait till 2020 for a decision about a GPU upgrade.

2nd gen ryzen was definately a contender when i upgraded my pc. but i didnt like my mini-itx mobo options at the time.

[BlueStrat]

ForceUser, on 01 February 2019 - 01:19 AM, said:

@ OP

Have a look at the RX 480 8GB graphics card. it's better and cheaper than a 1060 6GB and you get 2 free games with it at most places. Also keep in mind Navi releases around mid year and might be a good alternative to the RTX cards for MW5. Might not be able to make use of any Ray tracing or DLSS tech they implement though.


Fun fact, the AMD Ryzen 2400G APU on board graphics is actually (slightly) stronger than the 1030.

But for your purposes, if you are planning on eventually upgrading the GPU I would look at something like this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4dMg4q

And then picking up an RX 480 8GB at some point or waiting to see what Navi Brings later this year.

ps I modified the part list from this: https://pcpartpicker...md-gaming-build .It's a very solid build all round.

Sadlu, I only have a budget of $500 max. Everything I've looked at is in the $700+ range.

[Thorqemada]

LordNothing, on 01 February 2019 - 09:05 AM, said:

2nd gen ryzen was definately a contender when i upgraded my pc. but i didnt like my mini-itx mobo options at the time.

I was on the edge to buy a 2600x but then i thought i would upgrade to Ryzen 7nm anyway and decided i should skip that generation.

[Papaspud]

Built a mostly new PC right before xmas, I had an i7 3770 went to a i5 9600k- frames went from 45-60 all the way to 120+, have to run vsync to keep my PC from sounding like a jet. I used the 1070ti I had from last year so all gains were from CPU upgrade.

[dario03]

Do you guys think ram speed or on chip cache might have a big impact on this game? Just wondering because people going from 4xxx and earlier Core processors to something newer would be moving from ddr3 to ddr4 and possibly higher cache. I'm thinking maybe that has something to do with it since in my case I get some low fps and drops though cpu/gpu usage is low. I didn't really notice a difference when I tried lowering ddr3 speed though.

And I was thinking maybe cache simply because I had a game that was like that a long time ago. Only used one core but moving from a dual core to a quad core with a lot more cache made a big difference.

[Angel of Annihilation]

GPU. The I7 4790K at 4ghz is still a solid processor. I think it would pair well GTX 1060 without seeing either a cpu or gpu bottleneck.

As for the GTX 1060 vs the RX580, both at solid cards but as someone who has used AMD cards for quite some time now, I don't really think the AMD cards are as good or compatible as Nvidia cards in general and I am pretty sure Nvida works better with MWO.

[LordNothing]

Thorqemada, on 01 February 2019 - 12:15 PM, said:

I was on the edge to buy a 2600x but then i thought i would upgrade to Ryzen 7nm anyway and decided i should skip that generation.

i get money about 3 months before all the new fangled gizmos come out. this happens in october when we get our alaska pfds. to my horror next gen everything started coming out what seemed like weeks after i got my computer rebuilt. but if i sat on that money for 3 months id systematically turn it into dope smoke while i waited, or worse spent it on things i actually need like rent, food, shelter, antidepressants, hygiene products and kitty supplies. and if i go through the holiday season with money it will leach it all. the lunacy! so i end up getting a bunch of hardware that is a little behind.

Edited by LordNothing, 01 February 2019 - 03:01 PM.

[Thorqemada]

Stumbled over this 2060 Reveiw that adresses the 6GB Ram issue in the last Page:
https://www.hardocp....o_card_review/1

VRAM

The only specification that we are disappointed about with the GeForce RTX 2060 is the 6GB of VRAM limitation. At this price range, which is GeForce GTX 1070 to GeForce GTX 1070 Ti territory, we expect 8GB of VRAM in 2019. There really should be no less if you want the smoothest experience at 1440p. The VRAM capacity limitation is somewhat of unacceptable and it would assuredly rear its ugly head in 4K usage, if you wanted to push it there.
We did find situations in games where stuttering was starting to occur. We certainly tested and have shown where over 6GB and near 8GB of VRAM usage was occurring in games at 1440p already. As new games are released this year we worry about the RTX 2060’s ability to continue to provide smooth gameplay with many graphics features or texture options turned on.

[Vxheous]

Thorqemada, on 01 February 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Stumbled over this 2060 Reveiw that adresses the 6GB Ram issue in the last Page:
https://www.hardocp....o_card_review/1

VRAM

The only specification that we are disappointed about with the GeForce RTX 2060 is the 6GB of VRAM limitation. At this price range, which is GeForce GTX 1070 to GeForce GTX 1070 Ti territory, we expect 8GB of VRAM in 2019. There really should be no less if you want the smoothest experience at 1440p. The VRAM capacity limitation is somewhat of unacceptable and it would assuredly rear its ugly head in 4K usage, if you wanted to push it there.
We did find situations in games where stuttering was starting to occur. We certainly tested and have shown where over 6GB and near 8GB of VRAM usage was occurring in games at 1440p already. As new games are released this year we worry about the RTX 2060’s ability to continue to provide smooth gameplay with many graphics features or texture options turned on.

Not surprising, since Nvidia probably wants people to buy at least RTX 2070 and above for anything more than 1080p. Keeping the RTX 2060 at 6GB of ram keeps it as a mid range option for gaming at 1080p.

[LordNothing]

with crypto mining tanking it might be cheaper to get some used 1080s off of ebay. high end last generation cards are often better than current generation midrange cards.

Edited by LordNothing, 02 February 2019 - 11:43 AM.

[MrVaad]

LordNothing, on 02 February 2019 - 11:41 AM, said:

with crypto mining tanking it might be cheaper to get some used 1080s off of ebay. high end last generation cards are often better than current generation midrange cards.

That's what i did last year, sold my 980 and bough a used 1080.
1080 are around 375$ on ebay (and 350€ in my country )

From the reviews, it seems the 1080 and 2060 have around the same power consumption and same performance (when not vram limited).

You can also target a used 1070 or 1070 ti.

Edited by MrVaad, 02 February 2019 - 03:57 PM.

[LordNothing]

MrVaad, on 02 February 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

That's what i did last year, sold my 980 and bough a used 1080.
1080 are around 375$ on ebay (and 350€ in my country )

From the reviews, it seems the 1080 and 2060 have around the same power consumption and same performance (when not vram limited).

You can also target a used 1070 or 1070 ti.

helps to shop around and keep your options open.

[ForceUser]

Thorqemada, on 01 February 2019 - 01:52 AM, said:

Yeah, around the end of year holiday Season i will upgrade my System to Ryzen 7nm, at least Ryzen 3600x, and curiously play MWO for how much it has the Performance improved and what it means for the gameplay...

...will still use my RX480 Nitro+ 8GB and wait till 2020 for a decision about a GPU upgrade.

Currently it strongly looks like the 7nm Ryzens will outperform the current top of the line intel cpus on a per core basis, as in AMD will take the per core and IPC crown from intel. This is taking into account the demo at CES as well as performance benchmark leaks.

But we will only have confirmation of this when they end up in 3rd party testers hands.

Here's another good video for anyone that needs a budget rig:

Although I would shell out a few extra dollars for an RX580 8GB personally, the RX570 8GB is actually slightly ahead in frames per dollar.

Edited by ForceUser, 03 February 2019 - 12:13 PM.

[ForceUser]

Vxheous, on 02 February 2019 - 12:00 AM, said:

Not surprising, since Nvidia probably wants people to buy at least RTX 2070 and above for anything more than 1080p. Keeping the RTX 2060 at 6GB of ram keeps it as a mid range option for gaming at 1080p.

Yea, but at like $100 more than what a mid range option should be of course. Man, the RTX launch was just one giant fleecing op, I really hope Navi will save us like Ryzen has saved us. I believe in you Dr Lisa Su! You are our only hope.

Edited by ForceUser, 03 February 2019 - 12:14 PM.

[mrbash]

Hi all,

I want to update anyone who was interested in this.

I took the advice of overclocking my CPU. It turned out that I was already overclocking the cpu using the Ai Tweak feature on my MB. So the numbers i posted were the OC'ed cpu. I pushed the OC a bit more but without any noticable difference in fps.

The second suggestion to upgrade my gpu, I took. I bought a gtx 1070 off ebay for about 325$ cdn. This had an impact. I constantly stayed in the 58-60 fps range. I have v-sync on.

To be honest i do not feel much of a difference when playing the game. Some times i know it is a bit smoother but actually the game played well enough on my gtx 780. Even when the fps (only during intense fighting) was dropping to 39-40 the game was still playable. I never felt as if the dips to 30-40 fps were preventing me from getting the shot or anything.

Tl,dr; 30-40 fps during a firefight still quite playable (after playing 60fps in same situation). Save your money.

I hope this update helps someone else.

Edited by mrbash, 10 February 2019 - 06:40 AM.

[Vxheous]

What is your fps like without vsync? I play at 120+ fps on a 144hz monitor, and I notice when fps drop near 60, the smoothness is vastly different.

[MrXanthios]

This game is awfully optimized for AMD cpus anyway, so I wouldn't recommend switching to one of those if mwo is your primary game. As other people already said, 4790k is still a solid cpu, upgrading the gpu would be the priority in your case.