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[Jman5]

Vote strategically and you'll get more diverse maps.

[Bowelhacker]

I'd really like not to ever have to play domination on Polar Highlands three times in a row ever again, or constantly end up on the worst possible map for the mech I've just swapped into.

Or just give us 30 seconds after the map is picked to swap mechs.

[Thorqemada]

Originally, instead of Map/Mode Voting you had random map and selected modes (one, some, all) - every time i was fed up with the usual **** i switched from "all" to "conquest only" and it refreshed my fun usually.

I was against map/mode Voting bcs for me it means i neither get the Maps i want to play as often as in random mode nor do i have the ability anymore to switch to a mode that at that time most often gave more me fun than every other mode.

Effectively it reduced my Motivation to play instead of increasing it.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Bowelhacker, on 05 February 2019 - 03:43 PM, said:

Or just give us 30 seconds after the map is picked to swap mechs.

No... because this allows you to build specifically for some maps over others... that should never happen...

as a mechwarrior you're not going to know where you fight, until you end up on the field of battle.

[GeminiWolf]

Acersecomic, on 05 February 2019 - 05:10 AM, said:

I am so sick and tired of playing four same maps over and over and over and overand over and over again...
It makes you feel like there are only those maps in the game and sht becomes very repetitive and boring real soon. Worse still WHEN YOU GET SIX STUPID CANYONS IN A ROW!!!
Map voting in itself is not bad. It's really good. The problem is how it rotates and how people keep voting for one and the same over and over again like it's the only thing in the game.

So... either rework the least votes maps, or make it so the more a map is voted for, the less it will appear in the voting rotation so that other maps get the chance too.
And for the love of god, some maps that are great are barely voted for because of their stupidly stupid large size where it takes 2 minutes to just start a fight, not because people are positioning, BUT BECAUSE IT TAKES THAT LONG TO GET INTO FIRING RANGE OF ANYTHING so people avoid voting for such maps.

PGI, plase, for the love of god do something about map rotations.
PGI doesn't really follow the player feedback on the forums, so if anyone has a Twitter and agrees with me, please send this thread their way.

It's borderline tiresome.

So this the deal. Originally all maps were genrated randomly...the 5 People who posted on the forums raged, stating they will quit, the game will die, blah blah blah blah... if they didn't get to vote for maps. This is the end result.

[Prototelis]

The end result is that this is good. The maps that don't get voted for are terrible. The one terrible map that does get voted for, polar highlands, only gets voted for so back line leech lock auto aimers can enjoy a damn near coverless environment.

[FupDup]

Prototelis, on 05 February 2019 - 05:01 PM, said:

The end result is that this is good. The maps that don't get voted for are terrible. The one terrible map that does get voted for, polar highlands, only gets voted for so back line leech lock auto aimers can enjoy a damn near coverless environment.

I wouldn't say that Hoth is a bad map on its own merits, the issue is that it just showcases MWO's very badly designed missile mechanics more drastically than any other map. When everybody has direct fire weapons it's an alright map.

[Angel of Annihilation]

GeminiWolf, on 05 February 2019 - 04:31 PM, said:

So this the deal. Originally all maps were genrated randomly...the 5 People who posted on the forums raged, stating they will quit, the game will die, blah blah blah blah... if they didn't get to vote for maps. This is the end result.

Pretty much truth.

I mean the not having voting has issues as well like half the damn team rage quitting every time Terra Therma turned up because they were unable to run their high heat builds there but I honestly got less maps I didn't enjoy playing on back when it was random than I do now. Every time HPG shows up I am like, "Please not HPG, Please not HPG, Please not HPG.....DAMN IT IS HPG AGAIN!!!"

The other issue is one of the biggest issues I find with MWO is the lack of map diversity. We just don't have nearly enough maps especially considering the age of this game. There should be like 10-15 more, hell maps are what PGI should be focusing on simply because new maps means the game remains fresh and fun even when nothing else works right. However voting just make the map pool even smaller because we so rarely get anything but HPG, Canyon Network, Tormeline Desert or Grim Plexis whenever any one of those maps shows up in the selection. The ONLY time we get variation is when we get the occasional pick where those 4 aren't part of the choices.

[Prototelis]

I'd be more inclined to agree with that if day time versions weren't full of bloomfog and glare.

[FupDup]

Angel of Annihilation, on 05 February 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

I mean the not having voting has issues as well like half the damn team rage quitting every time Terra Therma turned up because they were unable to run their high heat builds there...

That's always been a bullocks strawman. Tourmaline and Oasis are both hot maps too but they don't get any hate at all, because they have good visibility and good layouts that give you plenty of angles to hit from. Coincidentally, both Mordor and Cancer Valley have low visibility and crap layouts (i.e. Mordor giving one side a big advantage, Valley being literally the birthplace of nascar).

Edited by FupDup, 05 February 2019 - 05:32 PM.

[GeminiWolf]

Angel of Annihilation, on 05 February 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

Pretty much truth.

I mean the not having voting has issues as well like half the damn team rage quitting every time Terra Therma turned up because they were unable to run their high heat builds there but I honestly got less maps I didn't enjoy playing on back when it was random than I do now. Every time HPG shows up I am like, "Please not HPG, Please not HPG, Please not HPG.....DAMN IT IS HPG AGAIN!!!"

The other issue is one of the biggest issues I find with MWO is the lack of map diversity. We just don't have nearly enough maps especially considering the age of this game. There should be like 10-15 more, hell maps are what PGI should be focusing on simply because new maps means the game remains fresh and fun even when nothing else works right. However voting just make the map pool even smaller because we so rarely get anything but HPG, Canyon Network, Tormeline Desert or Grim Plexis whenever any one of those maps shows up in the selection. The ONLY time we get variation is when we get the occasional pick where those 4 aren't part of the choices.

Back then there was no penalty for dropping out of a match, now there is. So less people would drop out on maps than back then. Honestly tho I don't remember that many people refusing to play Terra Therma and DC'ing on purpose.

[justcallme A S H]

MechaBattler, on 05 February 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

Allowing people to vote allows people to meta harder. Which cuts down on build variety since everyone is gunning for the same map because they want it as easy as possible for their meta build.

Given the sheer amount of non-META builds I see every single game, that's a tinfoil hat statement of the highest degree and simply wrong.
I love nothing more than bringing the hottest laserboat I can (98% heat in a single alpha) and dropping a big multi on Terra or other hot maps and still top the entire scoreboard running the most NON-META choice for said map/multi.

But you know - everyone is some uber META tryhard and that somehow governs the map choice

Given the sheer amount of non-META builds I see every single game, that's a tinfoil hat argument of the highest order.

And to these people saying you get Mining 4 times in a row - rejoice, you now have a 4x multi and can put that towards changing it up next game.

If not you have a 5x, then a 6x etc.

I really don't care what map so I love stacking a huge multi then dropping it on a map people hate.

[Nameless King]

Random maps and modes would be best.

[General Solo]

People have decided
Eat my Vote

Nameless King, on 05 February 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

Random maps and modes would be best.

Match maker already is random
Save those votes
Defeat your fellow voters

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 05 February 2019 - 06:32 PM.

[GeminiWolf]

Nameless King, on 05 February 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

Random maps and modes would be best.

Thats how it was originaly until the whiners got it changed... it went from all Random..to choosing the mode you wanted to play...to voting maps...to if you didn't get the map you voted for you got an extra vote. All done to appease the whiners who actually probably don't play anymore.

[MrMadguy]

Acersecomic, on 05 February 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

Voting system is not perfect. It perpetuates "popular maps", creating a boring festival of same few maps over and over again, making the game very tedious, repetitive and boring. It either needs tweaking or a lot of maps need to be made smaller.
Although it would be easier to just make them appear less the more a map is picked, thus balancing precentages on maps for number of picks, resulting in an equal spread of maps.

It's better to have repetitive game, than terrible one. You know. There are several indicators, that next match will go wrong, before it's even started. One of them - voting for bad map, when better is available. And it isn't bias. Sometimes I really try to do my best in such situation, but match is 100% stomp anyway. It's just result of this stupid "I'm bored, let's try something different" or "I'm hardcore masochist - let's suffer all toghether" mentality.

So, remember this. I call maps bad not because it's my subjective opinion. It's result of having hundreds of matches experience. I.e. yeah, some matches can be good, some can be bad. But when you have never had a good match on certain map - then it's simply bad map. As simple, as that. And it just can't be subjective, as this game is teamwork-based and one player can neither win a match, nor lose it.

That's why it's good, that PGI stopped to push their "Force least popular maps" system, as it was really terrible and forced "Best of the worst" maps on players. Now at least we can get Canyon and HPG from time to time.

Edited by MrMadguy, 05 February 2019 - 08:28 PM.

[Phoenix 72]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 05 February 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

as a mechwarrior you're not going to know where you fight, until you end up on the field of battle.

Which does not make sense from a number of lore reasons... Due to the travel times required and obviously knowing what planet Mechwarriors were heading for, they had plenty of time to change builds to the environment. We don't have that option.

[Appogee]

I would be happier with randomised maps, too.

So bored with fighting on the most potato-friendly maps.

Edited by Appogee, 05 February 2019 - 10:15 PM.

[GeminiWolf]

Appogee, on 05 February 2019 - 10:13 PM, said:

I would be happier with randomised maps, too.

So bored with fighting on the most potato-friendly maps.

Like Rotato Potato Canyon

[Luminis]

GeminiWolf, on 05 February 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

Thats how it was originaly until the whiners got it changed... it went from all Random..to choosing the mode you wanted to play...to voting maps...to if you didn't get the map you voted for you got an extra vote. All done to appease the whiners who actually probably don't play anymore.

And now we have another bunch of whiners that can't deal with the status quo and QQ on the forums, hoping PGI caves again.

Ironic. Your are the very thing you comparing about

Let's face it, there's pros and cons to both sides and with the number of maps in rotation, there's little chance to get actual diversity going no matter how the map is chosen.