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[Angel of Annihilation]

Ok so this is actually a serious question. With the Vulcan now being out for C-bills I have to ask, is there any reason to spend C-bills on it?

I have looked that the Vulcan and it seems pretty much to kind of be very similar to the Assassin which I have like 4 different variants of. Is there any outstanding feature, build or frankly reason to own a Vulcan? What does it excel at? What am I missing?

Again seriously looking for input here because I kinda want to buy a Vulcan but kinda don't want to invest C-bills on the Vulcan if all I get is pretty much an Assassin or worse due to bad hit boxes or something.

Thanks in advance guys.

[The6thMessenger]

Well, I'm not buying it.

[FupDup]

The only two builds that seem possibly worth considering would be MPLs on the Vulcan 5T or SRMs on the Bloodlust (but that's not for C-Bills so...).

Maybe twin [ER]LL and quad MGs on the 6M variant, but that's really pushing it. Probably not anywhere near enough firepower in the current state of the game.

Edited by FupDup, 05 February 2019 - 07:31 PM.

[Captain Polux]

Bought the 5T to **** around and like the mobility. But if you're low on c-bills, it's not worth it.

[GeminiWolf]

Angel of Annihilation, on 05 February 2019 - 07:22 PM, said:

Ok so this is actually a serious question. With the Vulcan now being out for C-bills I have to ask, is there any reason to spend C-bills on it?

I have looked that the Vulcan and it seems pretty much to kind of be very similar to the Assassin which I have like 4 different variants of. Is there any outstanding feature, build or frankly reason to own a Vulcan? What does it excel at? What am I missing?

Again seriously looking for input here because I kinda want to buy a Vulcan but kinda don't want to invest C-bills on the Vulcan if all I get is pretty much an Assassin or worse due to bad hit boxes or something.

Thanks in advance guys.

Thinner profile than the Assassin. Moves pretty good, I would buy it because what else are you gonna spend C-Bills on

[Jonathan8883]

I got the MASC variant today (Don't think ASN has it). It's odd. The hitboxes are usually good (I know this from shooting at them - easy to miss the scarecrow), but when I die it's always to CT-coring. This does mean it's XL friendly.

+20% flamer range is nice, and even one flamer in the arm is worthwhile...generating a shutdown per match I think. It could do with a few more hardpoints. I'm running 1 SNPPC, 2 MPL, 3 MGs, 1 Flamer, and only 5 or 6 skill points so far. 7 matches, 6 wins, 1 loss. 2 kills, 4 deaths, 1,606 damage... 229.42 damage per match. Damage is 28 higher average per match than my Panther.

It's not an ubermech, but it's fun to drive and feels more effective than the stats say it is. Very maneuverable. The odd hardpoints cause abnormal builds, which gives it some character.

[BrunoSSace]

Buy it cause its funky looking and cause you never see them. I will probably grab 2 of them, 6M and the Masc one. For some reason I really like IS Masc mechs.
The 5 energy one, not interested, already have the Cicada.

Edited by BrunoSSace, 05 February 2019 - 09:11 PM.

[El Bandito]

Buying the Bloodlust once it goes on sale.

[Psykmoe]

The unique thing first: Vulcan has the best package of handling stats of any medium in the game and handily beats many Lights. It accelerates and turns like a Flea, a 20 ton mech. Only its torso pitch is merely normal rather than exceptional. Only a Viper can get better acceleration in the medium class with certain set bonuses, but it won't take corners as tightly.

Vulcan has some good variants. It can duplicate the Ballistic+Laser builds you might put on the ECM Cicada but with JJs and/or MASC instead, it has a variant that can do a 5 MPL Skirmisher with Jumpjets, the Bloodlust does alright with SRMs.

The mounts are nicely positioned and the hitboxes alright.

But the handling is the thing that sets it apart - personal choice if that appeals to you.

[Xeno Phalcon]

Bloodlust is one if not my favorite mech these days, so I picked up a couple and probably would have gotten more if i had the mech bays on hand. Skilling them up has been pretty brutal, but the the quirks on some of them is a real riot. The 5S is proving to be my favorite of the non heros, with its UAC jam chance quirk, and the 5M is a pretty solid machine with its 15% global cooldown and -20% receiving crit quirks.

Main drawbacks is the hit boxes are spot on unlike the assassin if you shot it it takes damage where you shot it, and the hardpoint layouts are kind of wacky, longer barreled cannons also muzzle flash you which makes sniping with smaller UACs annoying.

[WhineyThePoo]

Its one of the ugliest mediums you can get. That alone is reason enough to buy it.

[Knight Captain Morgan]

I have a Vulcan and Assassin. I’d say the Vulcan plays closer to a Wolfhound than it does Assassin.
I’d describe it as a great light mech but a below average medium mech.

[PhilTKaswahl]

The head section is a nice round shape perfect for plastering on a variety of smiley and mask decals. That's reason enough for me.

Currently grinding for C-bills to get a Warhammer 6R to turn into a Boomhammer, but the Vulcan 5T is next on the list.

[Abaddun]

I haven't done a play by play comparison, but a brief glance makes it seem as though the bloodlust beats out all of the assassin variants as an SRM skirmisher. I've not piloted the Vulcan though so I'm not willing to stake anything on that statement being true.

[Psykmoe]

Abaddun, on 06 February 2019 - 09:54 AM, said:

I haven't done a play by play comparison, but a brief glance makes it seem as though the bloodlust beats out all of the assassin variants as an SRM skirmisher. I've not piloted the Vulcan though so I'm not willing to stake anything on that statement being true.

My friends and I run our Assassins with Artemis SRMs, which isn't an option on my Bloodlust. The CT missile mount can't take an ASRM6 and the head mount can't take ASRM4, so if you insist on taking Artemis anyway you're limited to 2 ASRM6 and an ASRM4 in the torso, which is the tube-count of most Assassin-21 builds but with worse cooldown on most of them.

I still enjoy the Bloodlust a lot without Artemis, 2 SRM 4 and 2 SRM6, and that's a decent punch but you have to be closer to land a decent focused hit which increases risk.

Also the Assassin still has superior geometry for rolling off damage, and the ASN-23 has armor quirks which are more desireable than structure quirks.

The Bloodlust is still quite competent at this role but I think over enough games the Assassins edge it out IF you invest in Artemis on them.

Edited by Psykmoe, 06 February 2019 - 11:55 AM.

[Abaddun]

Psykmoe, on 06 February 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

My friends and I run our Assassins with Artemis SRMs, which isn't an option on my Bloodlust. The CT missile mount can't take an ASRM6 and the head mount can't take ASRM4, so if you insist on taking Artemis anyway you're limited to 2 ASRM6 and an ASRM4 in the torso, which is the tube-count of most Assassin-21 builds but with worse cooldown on most of them.

I still enjoy the Bloodlust a lot without Artemis, 2 SRM 4 and 2 SRM6, and that's a decent punch but you have to be closer to land a decent focused hit which increases risk.

Also the Assassin still has superior geometry for rolling off damage, and the ASN-23 has armor quirks which are more desireable than structure quirks.

The Bloodlust is still quite competent at this role but I think over enough games the Assassins edge it out IF you invest in Artemis on them.

Thankyou for straightening that out for me.

[Natred]

I think it's a really cool mech. Look forward to buying it.

[Mister Maf]

I decided to take it on as a challenge and immediately zeroed in on that 20% UAC jam chance reduction on the VL-5S. I must say I'm actually having a lot of fun with it using 2 UAC2s on the fire control macro and 2 medium lasers. It's a decent little second line DPS mech that can float from angle to angle at 100 KPH, spitting out rapid AC2 fire at whatever the nearest assault mech is engaging. It's by no means the best mech in my stable, but I had a 925 dmg/500+ match score game with it earlier today, so it's certainly not the worst, either (that award goes to the Jagermech — ironically I have a lot more success in this mech doing what the Jagermech is specifically designed to do).

[Jyrox]

I found this battle fun.

[PhilTKaswahl]

Ah, **** it, I can always grind for the Warhammer later: