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ambosen, on 09 March 2024 - 02:25 PM, said:
Actually, they never worked against MRM's to begin with. As in, ever. Nor against rocket launchers. This is somewhat based off of the lore for the tabletop setting, where AMS systems require a a signal from an actual targeting system to make it so they can engage missiles. Most SRM's, and all MRM's in setting are dumbfire systems, and thus have no onboard targeting systems to target.
1) Anti-missile system works against MRMs, SRMs and RLs in MechWarrior Online. I have tested it.
2) Anti-missile system works against MRMs, SRMs and RLs in the tabletop BattleTech. Your idea that "This is somewhat based off of the lore for the tabletop setting, where AMS systems require a a signal from an actual targeting system to make it so they can engage missiles. Most SRM's, and all MRM's in setting are dumbfire systems, and thus have no onboard targeting systems to target." is absolute nonsense. The tabletop BattleTech materials say explicitly that AMS can engage all those missiles. (Total Warfare, p. 130, 303)
You are invited to post / quote your tabletop BattleTech sources.
ambosen, on 09 March 2024 - 02:25 PM, said:
Then again, if Void Angel had played this game at any point post 2019ish, he'd know that.
ambosen, on 09 March 2024 - 02:25 PM, said:
This has been pretty common knowledge, with literal videos on youtube demonstrating these missile behaviors for almost 6 years now.
ambosen, on 09 March 2024 - 02:25 PM, said:
There was a brief time where AMS systems would try to engage MRM's and SRM's but that was a not a popular change with the SRM or MRM missile boat crowd for numerous reasons, and they literally had the actual tabletop game lore to point to as a reason why LRM's should be priority or sole targets since in universe, all LRM's have at least some level of guidance signal being broadcast between them and the targeting mech, unlike the majority of SRM's and *ALL* MRM's which again, are dumbfire only. Streak or Artemis guided SRM's in comparison could in fact be targeted initially as they explicitly had vulnerability in table top game lore.
See the relevant official quote from 2013:
Thomas Dziegielewski said:
Welcome to Breakdown, where we explore and explain features in MW:O
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AMS - ANTI MISSILE SYSTEM
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Works against all missiles : LRM, SRM, SSRM, NARC.
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AMS - ANTI MISSILE SYSTEM
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Works against all missiles : LRM, SRM, SSRM, NARC.
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ambosen, on 09 March 2024 - 02:25 PM, said:
But the devs for whatever reason included them in the blanket AMS systems won't engage ruleset they made clear back in 2020. Which is one reason why MRM's and SRM's got so popular. They specifically bypass AMS by design in the game as of about 6 years ago to the present.
You are invited to post relevant MWO links that would support your claims.
ambosen, on 09 March 2024 - 02:25 PM, said:
Coincidentally the velocity and typical engagement distances both of of MRM's and SRM's is so much faster and at closer range then LRM's there really wasn't any point trying to make them engage the missiles using the behavioral rules for targeting LRM's as the majority if not all would get through largely unscathed to begin with anyways. Essentially, to have the kind of effect on SRM's and MRM's you'd need AMS systems to have multiple interception rules for variant of missile they were targeting where they could fire a lot faster or do more damage to missiles fired up close, ideally both. This would've meant you'd end up in a situation where a mech would do quantifiably more damage to SRM's and MRM's, and then for once the crowd of perpetually demanding continual nerfs to LRM's mioght have for once had a point despite themselves.
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