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[Lotspeech]

The CTF-3D has been one of the mechs to have the misfortune of being hit by the nerf hammer since year one or two. Can we please add a Gauss PPC + 1 Ghost Heat quirk or mabye a jumpjet quirk? Its been so long since this thing was the king of the battlefield that most people have probably sold theirs by now. Please PGI bring back the Metaphract!

[Aidan Crenshaw]

HSL quirks are used to make stock loadouts playable. The CTF-3D has neither Gauss nor PPCs in its stock configuration.

[Dee Eight]

Exactly. Not sure why anyone would use the 3D for a gauss/ppc build anyway. For that build the 0XP works better.

[JediPanther]

I just use three ac 10s on the hero. Fun when it works and a walking target in other matches.

[ShiverMeRivets]

kamichiwa343, on 06 March 2019 - 06:31 AM, said:

The CTF-3D has been one of the mechs to have the misfortune of being hit by the nerf hammer since year one or two. Can we please add a Gauss PPC + 1 Ghost Heat quirk or mabye a jumpjet quirk? Its been so long since this thing was the king of the battlefield that most people have probably sold theirs by now. Please PGI bring back the Metaphract!

The selling points of the 3D are JJs, 2 ballistics and the -20% UAC jam chance that comes with them. This sure invites dual UAC10, or a UAC20 builds. I used the 1X till now (and love it), but the 3D is on my shopping list.

[Ignatius Audene]

3d with 2 uac10 is rly nice. Assault level armor with nice jam.
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[MechaBattler]

2 UAC10s in general can do work. With extra jam reduction, it's gravy.

[justcallme A S H]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 06 March 2019 - 06:39 AM, said:

HSL quirks are used to make stock loadouts playable. The CTF-3D has neither Gauss nor PPCs in its stock configuration.

Not entirely true.

The quirk was left on HPPC for the AWS 8Q. Precedent was set from the very first itiration.

There is no reason HSL +1 therefore cannot be applied to other malingering mechs to make them fresh / fun and give some life into chassis.

[Prototelis]

Its stupid to leave HSL just for stock builds, when there are so many mechs that could be helped by with it.

[Jay Leon Hart]

justcallme A S H, on 06 March 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

The quirk was left on HPPC for the AWS 8Q. Precedent was set from the very first itiration.

There is no reason HSL +1 therefore cannot be applied to other malingering mechs to make them fresh / fun and give some life into chassis.

I guess, but there's quite a difference between a PPC 'mech getting a PPC family quirk and, say, an AC10 SRM 'mech getting an HGauss MRM quirk.

Having more HSL quirks being for a weapon "family" seems like the next step, but other than the mistake with the Awesome, aren't they all just based on stock loadouts?

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 06 March 2019 - 03:12 PM.

[Bud Crue]

justcallme A S H, on 06 March 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

Not entirely true.

The quirk was left on HPPC for the AWS 8Q. Precedent was set from the very first itiration.

There is no reason HSL +1 therefore cannot be applied to other malingering mechs to make them fresh / fun and give some life into chassis.

But Chris was pretty insistent that the +1 HSL regarding HPPCs on the Awsome was an error, and not working as intended, but was willing to let it stay for now while they monitor it , etc.

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Point being, is that Chris wants to use the +1HSL quirks to support lore “flavor” not provide us with necessarily viable/useful/competitive builds. I mean, yes I would love it if he would in fact do this on a lot of mechs that could use it, but his own long standing and expressed view that quirks should not dictate a single optimal build totally goes against this.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I don't see a problem with the 3D. I use 2xRAC2, 2xLL, 2xML, 4xJJ and a 280 LFE on mine and it works fine.

[Gas Guzzler]

MechaBattler, on 06 March 2019 - 11:24 AM, said:

2 UAC10s in general can do work. With extra jam reduction, it's gravy.

Literally just built that on MechDB. 2 UAC10, 4 MPL, LFE 255

[Roughneck45]

Yeah have you played it? Like everyone says, a pair of UAC10's and laser + jj's to taste and go to town. The armor on it is absurdly high.

A pair of PPC's and AC5's are still pretty good on it too.

[Khobai]

justcallme A S H, on 06 March 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

Not entirely true.

The quirk was left on HPPC for the AWS 8Q. Precedent was set from the very first itiration.

There is no reason HSL +1 therefore cannot be applied to other malingering mechs to make them fresh / fun and give some life into chassis.

The awesome 8Q uses three PPCs stock config though. Heavy PPCs are at least in the same family of weapons as PPCs. So allowing other PPC weapons like HPPCs to give the awesome more options makes sense. I definitely would not call that setting a precedent.

While im all for buffing the Cataphract 3D, I feel it should be buffed for weapons it actually uses in its stock config. Namely autocannons and lasers. Not PPCs and gauss.

If you really want a Gauss/ERPPC Cataphract ask for PGI to add the Cataphract 4L variant to the game. That uses Gauss/ERPPC stock and gets ECM. I dont think it gets jumpjets though. But even then im not sure a HSL quirk would be justified since it doesnt use x1 Gauss/x2 ERPPC as its stock loadout. Although it would be way easier to justify an HSL quirk on that variant than the one that doesnt even use Gauss/ERPPC at all.

Edited by Khobai, 06 March 2019 - 05:47 PM.

[Stonefalcon]

justcallme A S H, on 06 March 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

Not entirely true.

The quirk was left on HPPC for the AWS 8Q. Precedent was set from the very first itiration.

There is no reason HSL +1 therefore cannot be applied to other malingering mechs to make them fresh / fun and give some life into chassis.

That was PGI's mistake on not understanding their own rules regarding quirks.

[Lotspeech]

My point should not have been for the 3D specifically thats just the one I remembered off the top of my head. I realize there are other options for the cataphract-3D, but the addition of the HSL quirk to any of the jump cappable cataphracts would be a really nice/interesting change IMO.

[El Bandito]

Ignatius Audene, on 06 March 2019 - 11:13 AM, said:

3d with 2 uac10 is rly nice. Assault level armor with nice jam.

With medium level firepower.

[Curccu]

Dee Eight, on 06 March 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

Exactly. Not sure why anyone would use the 3D for a gauss/ppc build anyway. For that build the 0XP works better.

THE original poptart in this game, CTF-3D and potatoes were crying

[justcallme A S H]

Stonefalcon, on 06 March 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

That was PGI's mistake on not understanding their own rules regarding quirks.

Yeah I know. Said that in my post it was an error.

However the precedent as I said - has been set. There is no reason it can't be used as an almost stroke of genius to spark life into a LOT of malingering chassis.