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[Prototelis]

HammerMaster, on 18 March 2019 - 02:28 PM, said:

Haha. There it is! I'm not good as you again!
So my stance has no merit.
YOU GO SIR!
Keeping it elite.

The only reason I can think of to offer up such absurd suggestions is that you think its going to make you better. Most of what you suggest would make a worse game.

[HammerMaster]

Prototelis, on 18 March 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

The only reason I can think of to offer up such absurd suggestions is that you think its going to make you better. Most of what you suggest would make a worse game.

Only reason I can think for you and your ilk to continue to dog my posts is my suggestions would make you worse.
I have no such hang up for perceived ability.



While my suggestions would affect EVERYONE.
If you were as good as you say. Your numbers would be less, yet I am sure your ability would still put you above everyone else. Take that for what you will.

Edited by HammerMaster, 18 March 2019 - 02:55 PM.

[Prototelis]

HammerMaster, on 18 March 2019 - 02:52 PM, said:

Only reason I can think for you and your ilk to continue to dog my posts is my suggestions would make you worse.
I have no such hang up for perceived ability.

None of what you propose is going to tighten the gap between your scores and mine.

You know what would? Pulling your head out of your *** and working at being better at the game like I did.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 18 March 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

None of what you propose is going to tighten the gap between your scores and mine.

You know what would? Pulling your head out of your *** and working at being better at the game like I did.

You mean he should start sync-dropping...

Not all of us pad our stats in such a way.

[s0da72]

zerosouL, on 18 March 2019 - 12:58 AM, said:

Its amusing to see that some people believe, really really believe that the heat transfer system make any gd sense. Lets go even further and transfer heat from killed mechs to its closest ally on the battlefield

Don't give PGI any Ideas..

[Prototelis]

VonBruinwald, on 18 March 2019 - 04:00 PM, said:

You mean he should start sync-dropping...

Not all of us pad our stats in such a way.

lol wut.

[HammerMaster]

VonBruinwald, on 18 March 2019 - 04:00 PM, said:

You mean he should start sync-dropping...

Not all of us pad our stats in such a way.

Pretty sure he was not part of that toxic crowd. We are not on that particular subject anyways.

Prototelis, on 18 March 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

None of what you propose is going to tighten the gap between your scores and mine.

You know what would? Pulling your head out of your *** and working at being better at the game like I did.

That's rude.
And I don't want the "gap" as you put it, to make us closer together sir.
I told you directly I don't want to be like you. Stop assuming I want to.
Stop assuming your "skill" means more than my adherence to source.

As I have stated : "yet I am sure your ability would still put you above everyone else."
I even gave you a backhanded accolade.
You're too busy burning me down to take a compliment.

Edited by HammerMaster, 18 March 2019 - 04:49 PM.

[s0da72]

So does PGI automatically apply x% of heat to the Mech when it loses a side torso? or are they actually looking at the heat sinks lost and transferring the heat back to the Mech?

[VonBruinwald]

HammerMaster, on 18 March 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

Pretty sure he was not part of that toxic crowd. We are not on that particular subject anyways.

He's already admitted to being a sync-dropper, at that point any notion of his stats is worthless in my eyes.

But yeah, different subject, different day, as long as he leaves his 'stats' out of it.

[Prototelis]

Yeah, we do it rarely in SQ when the GQ/FP is dead for the night or when someone is streaming.

Streamers regularly invite people to sync with them, I do it all the time, infact I see a lot of regular forumites out doing it on streams. I used to see Dee Eight all the time when I'd sync up with streamers, I don't think anyone is about to accuse him of cheating even though we're all in the same twitch chat.

We (MS) don't do it often. It doesn't do anything but hurt my stats when my unit syncs. I typically get dove on by friends/unit peeps as soon as they know where I am and die early. It doesn't disrupt anyone's gameplay, we all play the same way we would normally play.

We have never sync dropped in GQ, where it confers a significant tonnage advantage.

But hey, thanks for the hackusation. Whatever makes you feel better my dude.

Edited by Prototelis, 18 March 2019 - 05:07 PM.

[HammerMaster]

Prototelis, on 18 March 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

Yeah, we do it in SQ when the GQ/FP is dead for the night or when someone is streaming. Streamers regularly invite people to sync with them, I do it all the time.

We don't do it often. It doesn't do anything but hurt my stats when my unit syncs. I typically get dove on by friends/unit peeps as soon as they know where I am and die early. It doesn't disrupt anyone's gameplay, we all play the same way we would normally play.

We have never sync dropped in GQ, where it confers a significant tonnage advantage.

Shameful sir.
You're better than that.

[BrunoSSace]

This post is going places.

[Prototelis]

Please. Like I said, I get focused as soon as someone knows where I am. Sync dropping actively hurts my scores just as much as trying to master playstyles I am not good at.

[Tarl Cabot]

s0da72, on 18 March 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

So does PGI automatically apply x% of heat to the Mech when it loses a side torso? or are they actually looking at the heat sinks lost and transferring the heat back to the Mech?

Neither. Prior to Dec 2018 patch the total capacity was reduced by removing x amount from the bottom of the Heat Bar. No one noticed it immediately. With the Dec 2018 patch, instead of being removed from the bottom, it is being removed from the top of the Heat Bar.

PGI had kept the 100% Heat Bar, regardless of of the HS lost/removed/incapacitated instead of reducing the actual Heat Bar and showing that new percentage.

The pic here shows the removal of that lost capacity from the top. I was not in the mood to recreate the wheel there Obtained from RJF Volkodav's post in another thread.



Thus, it is not actually a heat spike, it is a loss of x amount of the heat bar, but with that 100% number not changing since for PGI, it represents the current, active capacity of the Heat Bar, screw what the original/starting Heat Bar. Essentially, the mechs original Heat Bar is reduced by 25% from the top but instead of showing 75%, that 75% is still being reflected as 100%. The 75% is an example since that actual percentage loss varies from mech to mech, dependent on the number of integral+slotted HS in the engine, that number is used to calculate the 40% capacity/dissipation loss.

Before the Dec 2018 patch, the Heat Bar would have had that 25% removed from the bottom, so if the Heat Bar had reflected the actual changed percentages, it would have been represented as 25%-100%, everything under 25% would have been blanked out.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 18 March 2019 - 05:56 PM.

[GeminiWolf]

Im totally gonna vote for it in Chris's thread

[Jay Leon Hart]

PhoenixFire55, on 18 March 2019 - 02:55 AM, said:

And? What does "power up" have to do with anything? You plug a kettle into the electrical socket and its "powered up", yet it draws no energy from it and generates no tea for you unless you push the "alphastrike" "warm" button. Unless you count the shiny led light as drawing energy. Well, yes it does, just like mech sensors, computers etc., but the energy these draw in comparison to weapons is negligible, and so is heat generated from such small energy demand.

Bad analogy is bad (so many of those on these forums). A kettle is more akin to a weapon system on the 'mech, since it isn't generating its own power. Is the power station that kettle is drawing power from not constantly running because your kettle isn't boiling water all the time? Of course not. But hey, at least you just agreed with 2 of my points. The engine generates heat and the reaction in the engine is constantly running.

PhoenixFire55, on 18 March 2019 - 02:55 AM, said:

Le sigh. You keep saying "fusion reactor" and "fusion reaction" as if you know what it actually is. FYI, there is not a single fusion reactor made by humanity in existence yet. Hence you don't know what it is and how it works. You don't know whether a reaction in such a reactor is running constantly or not or even if it (reactor) generates any heat in process or actually absorbs and utilizes generated heat for its own purposes, or even if generated heat is in fact the actual energy output of the reactor (exactly like it happens in our fission reactors).

And if you knew a little smth about physics beyond the elementary school "boo hoo sun is a fusion reactor", you could have realized that there is a vast multitude of various fusion reactons, each with its own parameters and different energy outputs in different wavelenghts and even different types of particles.

But hey ... ain't nobody got time for studying these days. And I don't have time to educate you any further either.

Then you also have no idea how it works. Looks like we'll have to see what BattleTech says about their engines then. Oh look, I did that already, they compared it to the Sun. Looks like it's actually hot.

TL;DR
Thanks for finally agreeing me and realising you don't know what you're talking about.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Prototelis, on 18 March 2019 - 05:11 AM, said:

Second thing; The heat bar does not represent the temperature of a mech it represents the temperature of the coolant system.

Source? Not disagreeing, but that alone would help focus the discussion. The MWO wiki is not that helpful.

[PhoenixFire55]

Jay Leon Hart, on 19 March 2019 - 12:13 AM, said:

Just more random bullsh*t

Going all delusional now buddy? ... Easy on the meds. Its not really worth it.

[PhoenixFire55]

VonBruinwald, on 18 March 2019 - 08:30 AM, said:

You know, I actually think you're on to something. We need a new piece of equipment "Thermal Buffer", it prevents the heat spike on a ST loss. IS mechs get it for free, clan mechs have to pay 1.5ton and 3 slots per side torso for this. Kinda like a counter balance to the free Clan CASE. Lore wise you can say the Clan's stripped it out in order to save weight/space on their XL's.

And here we FINALLY see the motivation behind your nonesensical justification of PGI's cancerous game design decision. Why it is always the same thing. Clams OP plz nerf nao.

LOL.

Besh, on 18 March 2019 - 08:36 AM, said:

That picture summerizes your and PGI's understanding of physics quite accurately indeed.

[PhoenixFire55]

RickySpanish, on 18 March 2019 - 08:56 AM, said:

Nobody is denying that an exploding heatsink is going to transfer some of its energy into its surroundings via concussive force. The argument I'm making is that the heatsink doesn't necessarily explode, it may just become inoperable. I draw this idea from the fact that most components on a 'Mech do not disintegrate when they are destroyed. In this case, that energy is still inside the 'Mech waiting to either explode, or transfer to surrounding components. I would be open to the idea of heatsinks acting as bombs instead of just transferring a heat spike - the more heat you have when you lose a torso the more severe the possibility of an ammo explosion type effect. Any unexploded heatsinks could also slowly transfer that potential energy into the 'Mech.

We've covered that like five times already ...

Again. The energy that is the heat of the disabled heat sink is not going to instantly magically jump anywhere even if the heat sink itself isn't destroyed. Yes, the mech will lose a portion of heat dissipation, yes the mech will lose a portion of its heat capacity, but it will NOT magically instantly become hotter than it already is.

If a disabled heat sink explodes due to heat present in it then it explodes, and all that heat is gone with it.

If it does not explode, then as already stated somewhere above, mech systems automatically close down all heat transfer channels leading to said heat sink and it becomes effectively isolated from the remainder of the mech except for radiative thermal energy exchange which is incredibly slow in comparison and plays no role whatsoever in an atmospheric environment because it heats up the atmosphere and not the mech.

Even if we want to be completely [redacted] and assume that everything failed at once and it wasn't isolated, then physics would STILL apply, and heat will NOT trasnfer anywhere immidiately. It will NOT transfer to the remaining intact heat capacity instantly, thus it will NOT generate an instant heat spike that will lead to a shutdown.

And that doesn't even begin to mention the fact that by itself, in a disabled heat sink that doesn't pump anymore heat can only transfer to a adjacent portion of the heat transfer system if it is COLDER than the disabled heat sink in question. If the mech will continue to generate heat, then the disabled heat sink that still remains in the system will actually CONTINUE to dissipate heat passively.

As for the "heat bomb" concept, sorry, but it is purely idiotic.