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[CUTE PUPPY LUV]

My brothers in Lurm.
As you know, we have been affected heavily by the recent change. Gone are the days when our glorious missiles rain down on enemies to oblivion. Sad.

However, as long as we are alive, there is hope.
Let's use HELLBRINGER laser vomit. I have been using it and I must say I adore it so much now.
I have killed many enemies with just my alpha strike.
It has ECM and you can equip it with Large Pulse Lasers, ER Medium Lasers, or Heavy Lasers. You are free to try the loadout that you like.

Arise and forward my HELLBRINGER brothers!
Let's bring them HELL!!!!

[Vxheous]

CUTE PUPPY LUV, on 31 March 2019 - 08:48 PM, said:

My brothers in Lurm.
As you know, we have been affected heavily by the recent change. Gone are the days when our glorious missiles rain down on enemies to oblivion. Sad.

However, as long as we are alive, there is hope.
Let's use HELLBRINGER laser vomit. I have been using it and I must say I adore it so much now.
I have killed many enemies with just my alpha strike.
It has ECM and you can equip it with Large Pulse Lasers, ER Medium Lasers, or Heavy Lasers. You are free to try the loadout that you like.

Arise and forward my HELLBRINGER brothers!
Let's bring them HELL!!!!

So your solution to the LRM changes is to switch to the premier clan laser vom platform.....I applaud you sir.

[Hellbringer]

leave me outta this!!!!

[FRAGTAST1C]

2 HLL + 4 ERML + ECM + DHSsssssssssss on a Hellbringer.

You need to be active and switch positions a lot to boost your damage score and make an impact for your team. Try not to peek from the same spot too much as once you get focused down, Hellbringers are too squishy to remain intact.

[BrunoSSace]

Or bring even load outs. Like not all lrms, how about back up lasers? Or let's say something crazy like bring a tag and bap?
Put some heatsinks in there so you can fire your lasor more than once before overheating?
Crazy thought?

Edited by BrunoSSace, 31 March 2019 - 09:51 PM.

[Lykaon]

BrunoSSace, on 31 March 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Or bring even load outs. Like not all lrms, how about back up lasers? Or let's say something crazy like bring a tag and bap?
Put some heatsinks in there so you can fire your lasor more than once before overheating?
Crazy thought?

Why load LRMs at all? just add more weapons that actually work.

Even loadouts is also bad advise. BOAT! BOAT! BOAT! Geez do you even play this game

[Vellron2005]

CUTE PUPPY LUV, on 31 March 2019 - 08:48 PM, said:

My brothers in Lurm.
As you know, we have been affected heavily by the recent change. Gone are the days when our glorious missiles rain down on enemies to oblivion. Sad.

However, as long as we are alive, there is hope.
Let's use HELLBRINGER laser vomit. I have been using it and I must say I adore it so much now.
I have killed many enemies with just my alpha strike.
It has ECM and you can equip it with Large Pulse Lasers, ER Medium Lasers, or Heavy Lasers. You are free to try the loadout that you like.

Arise and forward my HELLBRINGER brothers!
Let's bring them HELL!!!!

Yeah.. no..

Not gonna ditch LRMs in favor of meta bringer laservomit..

Played some clan LRMs over the weekend.. Did solidly, despite the mega-nerfs.. so i would say rather than ditching and switching, we must adapt, survive and thrive..

I have to completely re-learn how to play LRMs effectively, but hey.. what you gotta do, you gotta do..

P.S - Bringing them hell works just as well in my 4LRM15 Hellfire ;-)

Edited by Vellron2005, 01 April 2019 - 12:47 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

Vellron2005, on 01 April 2019 - 12:46 AM, said:

Played some clan LRMs over the weekend.. Did solidly, despite the mega-nerfs.

Stream fired clan missiles are worse than IS one-chunk launchers especially against ams. If post-nerf clan lurms perform solidly then the nerfs did a fine job of balancing the weapon system.

You have a habitual problem of cockblocking yourself with your need to boast re: your personal performance while still arguing that lurms don't need nerfs.

[Maddermax]

I don’t generally LRM, but gave it a go today with my sunspider. On the day after the patch, the AMS was crazy, and I saw entire 60+ volleys swallowed up, it was a bit crazy. Taking out my own today, AMS was occasionally present, but has retreated to its former levels, and for the most part it wasn’t a problem.

I think the thing is that AMS is still very strong where it is present, meaning that it’s another random factor in whether you have a good run or not, along with map type. When you have a good map, and little enemy AMS though... well, it’s pretty damn destructive.

Edited by Maddermax, 01 April 2019 - 05:01 AM.

[Willard Phule]

CUTE PUPPY LUV, on 31 March 2019 - 08:48 PM, said:

My brothers in Lurm.
As you know, we have been affected heavily by the recent change. Gone are the days when our glorious missiles rain down on enemies to oblivion. Sad.

However, as long as we are alive, there is hope.
Let's use HELLBRINGER laser vomit. I have been using it and I must say I adore it so much now.
I have killed many enemies with just my alpha strike.
It has ECM and you can equip it with Large Pulse Lasers, ER Medium Lasers, or Heavy Lasers. You are free to try the loadout that you like.

Arise and forward my HELLBRINGER brothers!
Let's bring them HELL!!!!

Honestly, the biggest difference is whether the LRM boat is fully skilled and equipped or not. Since the changes, you can tell the difference between someone that's got their sensors fully skilled out with an active probe and those that don't have enough SP to do it.

Granted, the changes have truly gimped new players that rely on them, but it can still be done.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Willard Phule, on 01 April 2019 - 04:19 AM, said:

Honestly, the biggest difference is whether the LRM boat is fully skilled and equipped or not. Since the changes, you can tell the difference between someone that's got their sensors fully skilled out with an active probe and those that don't have enough SP to do it.

It's the same with all builds, isn't it? If a Laser Vomit build isn't skilled, you'll have problems with heat management and cool-downs. If you're a brawler and don't have Radar Deprivation, you can't run in and out of cover and do damage early on. So, LRMs needing to have skilled-up mechs sounds about right.

[JediPanther]

Thou be no true lrm brother! Verily no real lrm brother would so easily go to laser barfing and beg another lrm-er to do thus. Hearken to me my lrm brethren! We shall never surrender our lrms! We shall lrm on the old maps! We shall lrm on new maps! We shall adapt but not by forsaking our weapon and pride and victory but by using the weapons of yore! Tag,uav,bap, R key! They shall bring us locks and our foes death!

Our lrms shall fill the sky casting shade and horror over the battlefield. The rivers of teams and blood shall flow once more. Our lrms shall crush our enemy's puny defenses, drive them before us scurrying for cover and the lamination of their women shall be our victory song!

[Ahh Screw it - WATCH THIS]

Welcome to the bright side!

I think you will find the gameplay far more engaging than just pressing "R" and clicking on red boxes.

Once you have the basics of shooting an enemy you can actually see, more advanced techniques will be within reach. These include focusing components of larger mechs and even shooting the ams they brought!

Good luck and have fun!

[dwwolf]

Cant adapt to magic vorpal AMS and reduced salvo health.

[Prototelis]

Auto aim is fine. IDF lock times aren't bad even at standard leech lock back farm distances of around 600-700 meters.

DF is ******* lit. Theres no way for an assault to avoid that damage even at like 600 meters. They are so got damn fast. ATMs in poptarts are especially nasty.

[HammerMaster]

CUTE PUPPY LUV, on 31 March 2019 - 08:48 PM, said:

My brothers in Lurm.
As you know, we have been affected heavily by the recent change. Gone are the days when our glorious missiles rain down on enemies to oblivion. Sad.

However, as long as we are alive, there is hope.
Let's use HELLBRINGER laser vomit. I have been using it and I must say I adore it so much now.
I have killed many enemies with just my alpha strike.
It has ECM and you can equip it with Large Pulse Lasers, ER Medium Lasers, or Heavy Lasers. You are free to try the loadout that you like.

Arise and forward my HELLBRINGER brothers!
Let's bring them HELL!!!!

I sort of agree.
But it detracts from the fact that it's broken. But ya. Make your own way.

[Novakaine]

Lurm Fafnir Forevar!

[Vellron2005]

Novakaine, on 01 April 2019 - 06:57 PM, said:

Lurm Fafnir Forevar!

LRM Fafnir is amazing.. Especially the 4 Missile 4 Ballistic slot one..

[death390]

Prototelis, on 01 April 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

Auto aim is fine. IDF lock times aren't bad even at standard leech lock back farm distances of around 600-700 meters.

DF is ******* lit. Theres no way for an assault to avoid that damage even at like 600 meters. They are so got damn fast. ATMs in poptarts are especially nasty.

IDF lock times are basically unusable at 600m, ~4s when they DON'T have ECM and your fully skilled with active probe? ouch. the new DF arc means even the smaller bits of cover now eat your salvos (tourmaline ridges anyone?). since you basically HAVE to DF lock then IDF to get good results with IDF it hurts a LOT. hell the new DF lock was supposed to help with HPG/crimson and it really doesn't (a couple of spots work but the majority don't). AMS is back to the random 1/4 mechs bringing it again like before the nerf but those who have it still eat up salvos. not even touching he IDF spread getting worse (yes worse, DF spread got buffed).

so all told since LRM are basically worthless at their main job (IDF from medium range) take the better DF weapons: ATMs and MRMs. ATMS deal x2 damage out to around 500m and under 300m its x3 (assuming some range skill nodes), and MRMs while they arn't lock on are just a wall of missiles.

[Prototelis]

death390, on 02 April 2019 - 04:04 AM, said:

IDF lock times are basically unusable at 600m, ~4s when they DON'T have ECM and your fully skilled with active probe? ouch. the new DF arc means even the smaller bits of cover now eat your salvos (tourmaline ridges anyone?). since you basically HAVE to DF lock then IDF to get good results with IDF it hurts a LOT. hell the new DF lock was supposed to help with HPG/crimson and it really doesn't (a couple of spots work but the majority don't). AMS is back to the random 1/4 mechs bringing it again like before the nerf but those who have it still eat up salvos. not even touching he IDF spread getting worse (yes worse, DF spread got buffed).

so all told since LRM are basically worthless at their main job (IDF from medium range) take the better DF weapons: ATMs and MRMs. ATMS deal x2 damage out to around 500m and under 300m its x3 (assuming some range skill nodes), and MRMs while they arn't lock on are just a wall of missiles.

Those tourmaline ridges are ****** for everyone, some of the worst fake geometry in the game. Welcome to Tourmaline since its been out and something actual aim users have already been dealing with.

4 seconds (thats hyperbole) at 600 meters is not a "long time" when you aren't doing **** else anyways.

You can either refuse to adapt and drive losses harder than IDF leech lock auto aim used to, or move into LOS and contribute to health pool like everyone else.