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[Wing 0]

Lately there have been a lot of new games getting poached into an exclusivity deal on epic's game store. Lot of incidents have happened to that platform since it launched awhile back and since that point on, it has not gotten any better. Sure that Epic Games is giving out a much larger pay cut than what steam is giving but the fact remains clear that the Epic Store is clearly not getting anywhere when it comes to functionality, security, and all other things etc that Steam already has running right now. Steam complied with GDPR to the letter and PGI also followed suit since. However; Epic violated the GDPR and that's not good to see. Since then, its only getting worse. The way that Epic Games has been doing in regards of these deals is technically called "Tortious Interference". Many games were up for steam on pre-order before epic got the "exclusive deal" made and it forced Steam to turn off those store pages right after. Massive backlashes came shortly after.

PGI. As you are clearly aware, Mw5's game engine is on Unreal Engine and because of this, Epic's Game Store would give you a bigger pay cut obviously. However; with all that's happened with that Platform so far, I would never install that platform to my PC because of the way things are now. I do not trust that store at all especially with the interference they have done when it comes to competition. Epic's CEO said they wouldn't do something like that ever again but later on they were still doing it. Not going to lie but there are times that I do miss the good old physical disk days since they are not tied to an exclusive platform which we have going on now.

PGI. My Question is this. Are we going to keep Mw5 on Steam or are you guys going to try to stab us in the back with that exclusivity deal that Epic Games would offer later on before the game is released?

If were staying on Steam, Awesome. Glad to see you care about the community.

On the other hand

If you guys decided to move Mw5 to Epic Games Store before the game comes out and forcing us to move to an unsafe platform and all for the sake of money, I got words you wont like but ill say it here as an advanced warning system. (I Want A Refund RIGHT NOW) Backlashes will follow.

With all that's happened lately, I felt that this needed to be addressed since other companies have done things they shouldn't have and things didn't go well for them later on. I hope PGI does not engage in any type of (f----y) < you get the idea.

Thank You.

Edited by Wing 0, 04 April 2019 - 09:19 PM.

[Maddermax]

Three things - there’s already a thread about this on the front page, another is pretty pointless.

Secondly, I haven’t heard any indication that PG are even looking at the Epic Store, much less going to go exclusive with it - do you have a cite? It’s like some sort of sudden mass hysteria based on zero information.

Thirdly, the mech 5 preorders specifically mention Steam, how pre-orders get steam keys, and access to Steam Workshop is part of their hype for the game. They wouldn’t be able to go exclusive without allowing basically all their pre-orders to walk away as they wouldn’t be delivering what they’ve explicitly said, and you can get a refund.

Edited by Maddermax, 04 April 2019 - 11:01 PM.

[Wing 0]

Maddermax, on 04 April 2019 - 09:35 PM, said:

Two things - there’s already a thread about this on the front page, another is pretty pointless.

Secondly, I haven’t heard any indication that PG are even looking at the Epic Store, much less going to go exclusive with it - do you have a cite? It’s like some sort of sudden mass hysteria based on zero information.

Thirdly, the mech 5 preorders specifically mention Steam, how pre-orders get steam keys, and access to Steam Workshop is part of their hype for the game. They wouldn’t be able to go exclusive without allowing basically all their pre-orders to walk away as they wouldn’t be delivering what they’ve explicitly said, and you can get a refund.

True but there is a chance that changes could happen. I just want to see if PGI will keep us on Steam as they have said to us.

Edited by Wing 0, 04 April 2019 - 09:42 PM.

[MechaBattler]

I could see them putting it on both. But I feel ill will from exclusivity would net them less sales. And I think they want sales numbers so they can look good for their Microsoft overlords.

[Maddermax]

Wing 0, on 04 April 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

True but there is a chance that changes could happen. I just want to see if PGI will keep us on Steam as they have said to us.

Well yes, but there’s a chance PG could announce they’ve reimagined the game as an 8 bit side-scroller, if we’re talking about chances. There’s just zero information they would, and if you’re concerned, just bring it up at the next AMA.

Edited by Maddermax, 04 April 2019 - 10:32 PM.

[GuardDogg]

Steam was never a thing, until Half-Life 2 came out. People were not aware of the thing. Before that, Tech stores used to be the place to hang out, with 4+ aisle of software and goodies was the norm. And the software ran on its own. Now to add a thing like steam and running in background with other software to run MW5 if it comes to that (cause of those complaining), but if more sales, so be it. But hopefully my purchase has to use steam, I will not be happy, but no choice. I purchased MW5, because I am a huge Battle-tech fanatic and to stay with one game, not 3+ like in the ol days. I have steam, but gosh, it has to run in background, and loading up.

[Nesutizale]

IIRC from Metro Exodus, the people that pre ordered over steam could still download it over steam and play. Only people that bought it at launch had to buy it via epic store.

[VonBruinwald]

All this steam coming from steamers who don't want to use the epic store. I get it., but do you not get the irony. As it currently stands it looks like those of us who don't use steam are going to be forced to use it if we want to play MW5.

If you're against MW5 being an Epic exclusive you should also advocate for a steam-free edition.

[Daurock]

VonBruinwald, on 05 April 2019 - 04:33 AM, said:

All this steam coming from steamers who don't want to use the epic store. I get it., but do you not get the irony. As it currently stands it looks like those of us who don't use steam are going to be forced to use it if we want to play MW5.

If you're against MW5 being an Epic exclusive you should also advocate for a steam-free edition.

I'd be good with a Stand-Alone version. I have a suspicion though, that they're planning on using some of those steam features pretty heavily. the workshop is something i can see them making good use of, since it would allow them to not have to create and maintain a mod section of their own. It still shouldn't be a requirement though, IMO.

As for the Steam-Epic store thing - I have my gripes about the steam store, but when compared to the epic store, it's light years ahead. Sure, the Epic store is newish, but they aren't competing with the Steam store of yester-year. They're competing with what it is Today. Certain things like the workshop, and cloud saves would be a Real downer to lose if MW5 would come out as an Epic exclusive.

When you couple that with Epic's current policy of "Fork over gobs of cash to developers to put games exclusively on our inferior storefront," you have a recipe for a lot of sour grapes from the gamer side of the fence. The fact is, that policy does little to nothing to help out the players, since all it does is remove one of the choices that they have, one that more often than not is the preferred choice. If they want to convince gamers to use their store, they really should be pushing that Fortnite cash into improving that storefront, (by adding features, removing bugs, improving security, etc.) not using it to create hassles for players of other games. Alternatively, they could offer value to gamers by Lowering their prices compared to the steam store, since there's probably a good number of people willing to put up with it to get lower prices. (I.E. ask developers to share some of their extra money from their bigger cut with the consumers.) Either of those options are better for players than their current path.

Edited by Daurock, 05 April 2019 - 05:25 AM.

[El Bandito]

As I did not pre-order MW5, I am without worry.

I will never install Epic launcher.

[Aura Natsumi]

I HIGHLY doubt PGI would do this.

Microsoft has been working with steam lately, it's doubtful PGI would want to upset the owner of Mechwarrior no matter how much money Epic throws at them. At the end of the day, Mechwarrior is still owned by MS, even if PGI wanted to do this I would think MS would have to okay it and I'm about 100% sure the answer would be no.

The only exclusive I see happening with this game is in the console market on the Xbox X or the next Xbox console.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Wing 0, on 04 April 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

True but there is a chance that changes could happen. I just want to see if PGI will keep us on Steam as they have said to us.

"MECHWARRIOR 5 WILL USE STEAMWORKS FOR MODDING."

that's basically all you need to know... MW5 is built intending to use the Steamworks framework to allow the ease of curation and installation of mods created by the community. PGI has been very VERY open with modders over on the MW5 Discord, and have made 0 indications of a move to Epic.

That's not to say it won't also release on epic store, the more people they can spread the game out to, and get into other's hands that may not have otherwise tried, is good... BUT at the end of the day, MW5 is built with steamworks in mind for modding. That's the big lynchpin to the whole thing, because there are people ALREADY working on mods with the help of some of the devs giving them pointers as to what's being worked on in house already. There are people already looking at expanding the amounts of mechs, the amounts of weapons, ect. If PGI did a switcheroo... and went epic exclusive... the amount of backlash would make the Transverse debacle look tame.

[Curccu]

Wing 0, on 04 April 2019 - 09:41 PM, said:

I just want to see if PGI will keep us on Steam as they have said to us.

Then wait for the release and you will see, no need to make another pointless thread about it if there is zero indication about this "concern".

[Mystere]

Did we really need a second one?

[Y E O N N E]

GuardDogg, on 04 April 2019 - 10:54 PM, said:

I have steam, but gosh, it has to run in background, and loading up.

If Steam running in the background is causing any noticeable performance penalty for you, you have bigger problems with your PC.

[Rhaezor]

I have a strange feeling that MW5 would be great for EPIC exclusivity deal, would get it much needed cash! The doubt is, will it make more money releasing on steam? well it can happen, a market study is necessary to know that.

Steam is the place to be, no doubt. Steam was just a nuisance BUT that was when hl2 released, way back in the past, it's not since 2007.
(STILL) PGI if you get a half million dollar deal for exclusive... I would say go for it.