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[UnofficialOperator]

Does it affect KD on leaderboard or no? Because I keep seeing this guy with high KDR keep overheat and dying in losing matches, its odd.

[RestosIII]

It counts as a death to the KDR counter, but anyone who regularly suicides is doing it just to spite the enemy team. Basically, they're dezgras that don't even understand honor.

[vibrant]

Ah, to be isolated from your team, surrounded by a ring of enemies, and die in a blaze of gunfire... from overheating. I love doing it.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Easy fix is to award the kill to whoever had KMDD on the guy or whoever did the the most damage to him in the last 10 seconds.

[Lukoi Banacek]

RestosIII, on 19 June 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

It counts as a death to the KDR counter, but anyone who regularly suicides is doing it just to spite the enemy team. Basically, they're dezgras that don't even understand honor.

Hmm most of the guys I know who do this with any regularity are dying to overheat because they are trying to get one last alpha in and perhaps kill ONE more enemy, knowing they are dying anyway. When you're already heatsoaked, surrounded and forced to brawl and cannot get away to simmer down on the heat....you definitely wanna go out swinging.

But go ahead and assume things about people, it's a good look.

[RestosIII]

Lukoi Banacek, on 19 June 2017 - 11:14 PM, said:

But go ahead and assume things about people, it's a good look.

Thanks! Do you think a red or blue tie would go better with it?

But seriously, I've seen a huge resurgence of MASC and overheat suicides by people who see the match I losing and go off to the corner to off themselves. If someone does from overheating during a fight? I don't mind. Good on them for trying to take someone with them. But the people that I keep seeing personally? Not those people. And OP didn't specify on his end which ones they were, so I went with my recent experiences.

[Lukoi Banacek]

RestosIII, on 19 June 2017 - 11:19 PM, said:

Thanks! Do you think a red or blue tie would go better with it?

But seriously, I've seen a huge resurgence of MASC and overheat suicides by people who see the match I losing and go off to the corner to off themselves. If someone does from overheating during a fight? I don't mind. Good on them for trying to take someone with them. But the people that I keep seeing personally? Not those people. And OP didn't specify on his end which ones they were, so I went with my recent experiences.

Right,got it. Maybe next time, specify the people from your experience. Red tie for that I think. Ask Trump's tailor maybe.

[Davegt27]

It would be cool that if you could over heat yourself and blow up
you know nuclear reactor and all that jazz

be cool if you blew up all the Mechs surrounding you lets say out to 100 meters

[Fox With A Shotgun]

Davegt27, on 20 June 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

It would be cool that if you could over heat yourself and blow up
you know nuclear reactor and all that jazz

be cool if you blew up all the Mechs surrounding you lets say out to 100 meters

Well, the next thing we'll start seeing is a Locust suicide bomber. 6 ML on a LCT-1E is probably enough to trigger an overheat explosion in one or two alphas

[Escef]

Davegt27, on 20 June 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

It would be cool that if you could over heat yourself and blow up
you know nuclear reactor and all that jazz

be cool if you blew up all the Mechs surrounding you lets say out to 100 meters

Fusion reactor, doesn't really produce the big boom you want. When containment fails all you've got is a small amount of superheated gas that rapidly cools when it hits the reactor walls. The big booms associated with reactor explosions are due to the failures of cooling systems, fusion reactors have to fight to keep their reaction mass at high temperature.

Edited by Escef, 20 June 2017 - 12:51 AM.

[Dago Red]

When it's time for your team to witness you it's always best to hit O for glory.

Anyone who overheats without firing at the enemy is a failure and should be mocked.

[UnofficialOperator]

Well this guy just went another 30+ kills 2 deaths... its kind of weird to choose to die by overheat when his handling is really good in the first place. And this is the only season he participated in... really weird.

Anyhoo...

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 20 June 2017 - 01:31 AM.

[vibrant]

Davegt27, on 20 June 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

It would be cool that if you could over heat yourself and blow up
you know nuclear reactor and all that jazz

be cool if you blew up all the Mechs surrounding you lets say out to 100 meters

I would love it. Though, reality has shown me that suicide bombing doesn't mix with tactical combat in a satisfying way.

[Shifty McSwift]

vibrant, on 20 June 2017 - 01:37 AM, said:

I would love it. Though, reality has shown me that suicide bombing doesn't mix with tactical combat in a satisfying way.

Yah, I would probably use stronger language, but agreed.

You really have to consider everyones fun, one guy might think its a riot to kamikaze strike an opponent in the first 15 seconds of a match, he might even be rolling around on the floor laughing out loud. But that sounds like a terrible concept for this game that goes against many of the combat tactics that already exist.

The idea of an unstable engine variant that has a chance to explode on death is different, it is the kind of thing that might affect teammates too, and it could be made to be like a visible buildup effect (like an airstrike), rewarding awareness for noticing someone corpse is going to explode and getting out of range.

[Shifty McSwift]

As for people who do die to engine overheats, opponents still get a chance to get KMDD on that person, and everyone still gets assists if they hit him. Plus the person who dies to suicide loses some score, much like team damage

[Scyther]

Sometimes it is just an 'FU' to keep someone else from getting a kill, sometimes (as others mentioned) it is a dying player trying to get in one last alpha before dying. Myself, I have overheated and died when I miscalculated (or lagged) how much heat capacity I have left and trigger a hot weapon group. Once or twice by triggering a hot weapon group by accident, even.

I don't think there should be a 'penalty' for doing so (other than team reports for suiciding, in some cases); but the Kill point should definitely go to whoever has the MDD tag on that mech. If there is no damage by enemy then it is likely suicide and can be penalized.

Note: on Grim Portico in FP I have seen reports of a spot near the right side gate when going in, where you can die to Out of Bounds without being on or outside the red line and without receiving any warning. I haven't confirmed this myself but it's something that would need to be checked on maps before setting penalties.

[Shifty McSwift]

MadBadger, on 20 June 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Sometimes it is just an 'FU' to keep someone else from getting a kill, sometimes (as others mentioned) it is a dying player trying to get in one last alpha before dying.

Yep, it is symptomatic of turning engine override off, as it seems like taking CT damage is very common in the overheating process, if you are already close to death, you can just get "lucky" (or unlucky depends how you see it) and deal that final deathblow damage to yourself, even while in the middle of taking a volley from an opponent.

But see to a lot of players, including myself, that is 99.99% more preferable to just shutting down mid fight, out of ones own control, which usually results in taking MASSIVE amounts of damage to people who target you.

The risk of death by overheat outweighs the risk of death to shutdown, by a pretty massive margin.

[Spr1ggan]

UnofficialOperator, on 19 June 2017 - 10:43 PM, said:

Does it affect KD on leaderboard or no? Because I keep seeing this guy with high KDR keep overheat and dying in losing matches, its odd.

If it's me you're talking about then it's because i have far more matches where i don't overheat and die. xD

And no i haven't played a single round of group queue this season, so my k/d isn't due to that.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 20 June 2017 - 03:05 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Lukoi Banacek, on 19 June 2017 - 11:14 PM, said:

Hmm most of the guys I know who do this with any regularity are dying to overheat because they are trying to get one last alpha in and perhaps kill ONE more enemy, knowing they are dying anyway. When you're already heatsoaked, surrounded and forced to brawl and cannot get away to simmer down on the heat....you definitely wanna go out swinging.

But go ahead and assume things about people, it's a good look.

MOAR WUB!

[PhoenixFire55]

RestosIII, on 19 June 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

It counts as a death to the KDR counter, but anyone who regularly suicides is doing it just to spite the enemy team. Basically, they're dezgras that don't even understand honor.

If he overheats in order to do more damage and not just overheats then he bolsters his damage and thus his matchscore, potentially also killing a mech or two he couldn't have without full-berserk-override. And don't talk about dezgra and honor in MWO you Diamond Shark scum. Please, just don't.

P.S. Glory to true Clan Sea Fox.