54 replies to this topic

[Jman5]

I looked through about a months worth of matches and saw 23 instances where players in the same unit were in the same game. Of those 23 games, 11 of them were matches, and 12 of them were mismatches (on opposing teams). Winrates were mixed, but frankly 11 games were no where near a good enough sample size. Also I imagine a number of these matches were simply happenstance. There was only 1 instance where more than 2 people from a unit were in a game. They won, but 2 out of 3 did very poorly, while the third only did average. They likely would have dragged the team down for a loss if a random pug hadn't carried them.

I wasn't able to discern any pattern that allowed players to consistently sync drop on the same team.

From what I could see, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Doesn't seem to happen very often (at least during primetime when I play), there doesn't seem to be some easy way to ensure you match together (or at least it's not widely known), and it doesn't appear to be massively impacting the outcome (probably because the kind of players who do this tend to be average).

Edited by Jman5, 04 May 2019 - 06:47 AM.

[Curccu]

So I'm not allowed to play this game at same time as my friends?
and because you clearly haven't played group queue I can tell you that it is dead most of the times, at my timezone there are no games to play before 21:30 usually.

PS. We did play GQ Yesterday and someone told us to go play FP after ugly stomp

Edited by Curccu, 04 May 2019 - 06:54 AM.

[R0gal D0rn]

Fine... Some get hurt... I´m glad...


If you´re doing nothing wrong Why so angry?
If i´m no one (But a no one who plays this game enough, and have eyes and memory enough to says truths) why all this Ado...

I said no names. But some here are responding as if I said their names... Why take this so personal?
Is something not Ok in your conciousnes ?
Evidently someone lost his time to demonstrate that my numbers are nothing...
But guys, i don´t believe in your numbers...
Some of you are good players
I you are good players, you don´t need to cheat.
maybe i´m bad or mediocre in some mechs or maps, or not so bad or mediocre in some other circumstances...
So what.
THis don´t make my statements about the syncro true or false.
Stop using ad hominems...


I dont need to prove what is evident. Syncros are making worse the game.
Maybe not for YOU. taking profit in some way from it, but are in general contributing to ruin the rests of this game.
How I know it? being one of the player wi
th more matches last month, by example...
NONE
of them Syncro.


Do you want still searching excuses for the inexcusable... ? You don´t need it... PGI will do nothing about, and I don´t expect them to do it.

But I repeat. YOU and ME, we both know i´m saying the truth...

Edited by Tirant Lo Blanc, 04 May 2019 - 06:57 AM.

[Curccu]

Tirant Lo Blanc, on 04 May 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

THis don´t make my statements about the syncro true or false.

You not understanding matchmaker makes this whole thread false.

[R0gal D0rn]

justcallme A S H, on 04 May 2019 - 05:38 AM, said:

I know this may come as a really big surprise and you won't be able to understand it - but I'll tell you why anyway.

To shoot each other because this is a FPS! I know that may come as a huge shock but that's what it's about.

PGI won't stop it because it doesn't affect the game in any way. They understand it, most others understand it but it always seem to be the usual suspects who have no clue about balance, gameplay or anything else and are basically wrong all the time - saying it's some kinda exploit. Anytime there HAS been an actual exploit, PGI have been all over it. As they are not doing anything - what then does that tell you?

Maybe... Just maybe... It's not actually an exploit.

So much dumb in this thread. You guys are just trying to make something out of nothing.

I like to shoot my unit mates too. We go to a private match, and shoot each other. We are able to understand what you say, but what you say has no sense at all. it´s a bunch of very bad excuses. Surely you can do better defending your point of wiew ,but, please, dont troll us...

Curccu, on 04 May 2019 - 07:01 AM, said:

You not understanding matchmaker makes this whole thread false.

what is this mechanism i´m not undestanding?
enlight me, oh sapiential oracle...

[Yondu Udonta]

Curccu, on 04 May 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

PS. We did play GQ Yesterday and someone told us to go play FP after ugly stomp

Go play FP, you WDMC boys are challenging opponents.

[RJF Volkodav]

We played like 12 to 1 W/L in GQ yesterday and met WDMC only once (i believe we played at the same time in Q as it was in a middle of a games). Guess why this happen? GGs matchmaker...

[Curccu]

Tirant Lo Blanc, on 04 May 2019 - 07:08 AM, said:

I like to shoot my unit mates too. We go to a private match, and shoot each other. We are able to understand what you say, but what you say has no sense at all. it´s a bunch of very bad excuses. Surely you can do better defending your point of wiew ,but, please, dont troll us...


what is this mechanism i´m not undestanding?
enlight me, oh sapiential oracle...

That you cannot choose your side. so it's pure random if syncdroppers are fighting with each others OR against each other. --> no gain

[John Bronco]

Baffling some idiots think sync dropping confers any advantage whatsoever.

Entertaining thread, though.

[Curccu]

Yondu Udonta, on 04 May 2019 - 07:16 AM, said:

Go play FP, you WDMC boys are challenging opponents.

Well we do not just every day, maybe today.

[R0gal D0rn]

Curccu, on 04 May 2019 - 07:35 AM, said:

That you cannot choose your side. so it's pure random if syncdroppers are fighting with each others OR against each other. --> no gain

Well, as expected it´s you who don´t undestand, or better, want us to misunderstand how the matchmaker works...


It´s not so pure random... The matchmaker FInd some data very easy to group, some players with the adeccuate weights hitting the search button at the same time.... There is hard to explain how the random results are difficult to obtain when you use random generators in a game, but is a very well know fact... The trick is used because works the mos part of the time... Random results are difficult, but impossible when you cheat in adition
And even when dont works perfectly gives one team more than one unfair advantage, even if not all are in the same team...

BlaizerP, on 04 May 2019 - 07:35 AM, said:

Baffling some idiots think sync dropping confers any advantage whatsoever.

Entertaining thread, though.

Well, some don´t "Think" it confers advantage. Some KNOW it does...

If you think not, let me play poker against you letting me a huge percentage about the cards i chose being the cards I need... I´m sure everyone will bet at my favour---

Edited by Tirant Lo Blanc, 04 May 2019 - 07:53 AM.

[Verilligo]

To be honest, I can actually understand why the OP feels the way he does. But it's not that sync dropping actually confers an advantage to one side or the other, rather, it casts the dice in a way that the matchmaker isn't designed to account for. Say you have one of the more popular streamers like... say, ASH himself. Skilled players like ASH have an audience with a high concentration of very skilled players. These players will be watching ASH's stream and attempt to sync drop with him because... well, they want to play with ASH. Some would rather play on his side, but probably even more of them would like to play opposite him because it's a challenge and one they would like to have.

So you take these higher skilled players and all have them online at the same time in a huge clot... and throw them into the matchmaker with all of the rest of the rabble. The matchmaker is incapable of telling the difference between a real T1 player and a T1 player that should probably still be in T4. On any other day or time, you're just as likely to have as many of these actual T1s playing as you would during this particular period, but you don't have as many pressing the Find Match button at the same moment as you do during these sync drop periods. So the matchmaker will end up accidentally stacking one side of a match with higher skilled players, say, 30% of the time, over a certain period until the player of the moment gets their match.

Is a specific advantage conferred to one side or the other with any certainty? Not at all. But you're throwing the dice differently and in such a way that it's VISIBLE. It's the fact that you're aware of a certain set of players and see them show up in clots during certain time periods that makes it SEEM like something fishy is going on. It's mostly the optics of the entire thing that gets people crying foul because individual instances of a terribad match are way more noticeable than the statistics of matches over a period of time. In some instances you'll also have match behavior and quality change dramatically, too, but mostly during times where certain streamers are playing memes because... well, they're entertaining.

Long story short, if you look at your statistics over a period rather than taking individual instances as representative of that period, you SHOULD see that everything averages out to being normal. But humans are, by nature, really, really crap at that.

[John Bronco]

Verilligo, on 04 May 2019 - 07:55 AM, said:

To be honest, I can actually understand why the OP feels the way he does. But it's not that sync dropping actually confers an advantage to one side or the other, rather, it casts the dice in a way that the matchmaker isn't designed to account for. Say you have one of the more popular streamers like... say, ASH himself. Skilled players like ASH have an audience with a high concentration of very skilled players. These players will be watching ASH's stream and attempt to sync drop with him because... well, they want to play with ASH. Some would rather play on his side, but probably even more of them would like to play opposite him because it's a challenge and one they would like to have.

So you take these higher skilled players and all have them online at the same time in a huge clot... and throw them into the matchmaker with all of the rest of the rabble. The matchmaker is incapable of telling the difference between a real T1 player and a T1 player that should probably still be in T4. On any other day or time, you're just as likely to have as many of these actual T1s playing as you would during this particular period, but you don't have as many pressing the Find Match button at the same moment as you do during these sync drop periods. So the matchmaker will end up accidentally stacking one side of a match with higher skilled players, say, 30% of the time, over a certain period until the player of the moment gets their match.

Is a specific advantage conferred to one side or the other with any certainty? Not at all. But you're throwing the dice differently and in such a way that it's VISIBLE. It's the fact that you're aware of a certain set of players and see them show up in clots during certain time periods that makes it SEEM like something fishy is going on. It's mostly the optics of the entire thing that gets people crying foul because individual instances of a terribad match are way more noticeable than the statistics of matches over a period of time. In some instances you'll also have match behavior and quality change dramatically, too, but mostly during times where certain streamers are playing memes because... well, they're entertaining.

Long story short, if you look at your statistics over a period rather than taking individual instances as representative of that period, you SHOULD see that everything averages out to being normal. But humans are, by nature, really, really crap at that.

Yes but this ALWAYS is happening regardless of any intention of sync dropping. As always, the problem is the matchmaking is ****. I do agree its more obvious with the good streamers and such.

Edited by BlaizerP, 04 May 2019 - 08:01 AM.

[OfficerDingDong]

there's also a bit of an observer bias going on that OP isn't accounting for.

Unit Tags are sort of meaningless. OP sees four dudes from team "BUTT" on the opposite side and starts freaking out about sync drops. All the while ignoring that some unit tag doesn't mean anything other than the most basic of association together. Every single game OP plays in there are people dropping with/against each other that 1) know each other and/or 2) play together regularly but because they don't have the big BUTT beside their name it doesn't stand out.

There are multiple high level comp players that actually play on the same team come comp season but have entirely different unit tags.

So you might see four BUTTs on the other team, but its likely only half of them are active members and you probably have some TOOTs and B00Bs on your team that actually play with each other regularly.

So no, it's not a problem.

[R0gal D0rn]

To cut a long story short...

The issues with the matchmaker don´t turn suddenly ethical cheat with the matchmaker, to have better odds than the people that don´t do it. Irrefutable.
Disguise it as you want. You have better odds syncroing...

You can discuss how better.
And I can accept that id depends of other factors...

But you can´t deny that the "Fun" some players have playing syncro is obatained against the chances the other players have to receive a good team. What the frakk, even if your syncro team is not marvelous you have a lot of chances to have the correct mech with the correct setup for the correct map (Choosen by brute force) and a Discord or team speak to coordinate...

GUYS, you simply can´t deny that even just having more posibilities to stack those advantages is a clear global advantage against any other group deprived from that...

Will you accept a competitive play where a team can choose the map, the mechs, the players, and the game mode, against others that´can´t?--- Oh some of you will accept..Only conditioned to be in the team who can choose.

I dont expect too much people being honest enough to say the truth.

But never mind. I put a mirror in front of you.
Your reaction may be is revealing more than you think


Ah, and sorry but i´m old enough to not mistake a simple coincidence in the unit tags with a clear syncro drop---

Everybody in this game knows some unit tags means nothing... But by example, a group of people always droping in the same team, choosing polar lurmlands or caustic, using a full alpha lance of narcers, four supernovas lurming and all the heavies shooting LBX... This is far from being causual...

This same team playing two matches later a domination in Alpine, but all lrl, and suddenly two guys in our team who was in polar in theirs group...Quit the circle to make them win... Is not casual...

And if you have open eyes and use the time beforethe match start who see which names repeat, you find things far from being casual...

Edited by Tirant Lo Blanc, 04 May 2019 - 08:29 AM.

[John Bronco]

Irrefutable? I refute it.

Can't deny it? Sir, I DENY ALL OF IT!

quality discussion

[Weeny Machine]

LordNothing, on 04 May 2019 - 04:57 AM, said:

don't worry, they will stop on their own when the game dies.

They will blame others then. That's the kind of people you deal with.

Curccu, on 04 May 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

So I'm not allowed to play this game at same time as my friends?

Nice strawman

Edited by Weeny Machine, 04 May 2019 - 08:33 AM.

[R Valentine]

Sync drops are undetectable. I've dropped with 4 of my own unit mates in the same match on the same team and I wasn't even in discord with them. We just all happened to press the button at similar times. This game is so small that sync dropping is very easy, but it's also probable that unit mates and friends drop together without trying for the same reason. What's your plan? Start banning everyone who gets on the same side as their buddies? Oh yea, that'll be good for the game.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

get 20,000 friends to play, that will fix the problem

[Six-Pack]

Ho ho ho, how else are we going to play with friends? I don feel like waiting 10 minutes in a GQ only to get mauled by a 10 man stack of ASNs, ACWs and PIR's.