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[John McClintock]

I keep seeing people post about their percentage. like "I'm a top 10%" or "He's a top 1%" How do they calculate that? Or are they just making up numbers?

You'd have to know total population size of the servers, and then what? Choose which stat to divide by it? K:D or W:L or whatever.

Does your XP bar go away when you hit tier 1? Is there a secret tier?

Next question:

Are the Tiers balanced?

As is "20% of the population will always be Tier 5" or is it possible for some day 95% will be Tier 1?

Since it's free to play, (like the book of faces) a cynical, paranoid mind might think it's a CIA/.gov/.mil project, to obtain algorithms to program battle droids to fight the imminent alien invasion from Uranus. Or maybe just to see who's DNA to harvest for the Clone Army.

Anyways...

I haven't found a stat for server population, although I do see people whining about "the game is dying" IDK, since I only very recently started playing. Not because I'm new to Mechwarriors, (started with a tiny bit of tabletop in 1993 then played MW2 and MW3 as long as I could get a computer to run it (till ~2015) but my internet connection has been "satellite only for years", since before MWO came out, actually. Living in hillbilly country, with 1+ second lag. (that's over a 1000ms, for the Latin impaired). Which is impossible to play anything but WoW.

Anyways, I don't feel like it's dying, but then I'm "new" to it, and loving it. Playing against the computer was fun and all, but vs live humans? OMG. So much fun. But just how many people play this game? Are those stats public?

It's funny, When you look at your stats, it shows a lot about you, like the Tumbleweed, lol, you play even more than I do, and that is so sad. :-p lol. j/k luv u broski. It really shows who has a life and who's life is here.

Sad when someone calls you out in game, cause they recognize your name from the leader board, not cause of your W:L or K:D but "total number of wins" Cause you play so much... Happened to me this week. I was like LOL. Busted.

Anyways, what a great game, I love it, and yes, I even paid money to get colors and a couple hero's, totally worth it. And I'll keep paying money, what $100 a year, is only ~30 cents per day.

Thanks Piranha for what you do. Ignore the Bitching Betties. You'll never please 100%

When I started playing "online", (copper phone lines) you had to be within the same building to play FPS games. lol.

now I play with people from all over the world. 250 lag max, hell, it was 250 @100 miles, back in the day. This is living the dream.

You young people don't realize how good you have it.

This is the bomb. Bitching about a 1 minute wait? I waited for YEARS... no, DECADES to play like this.

I never even got to play a single PVP back in MW2, or even 3. I would have had to have ~18 friend in the same building. Who wanted to play it. We had a little Doom, and Descent back then, but nobody was playing Mechwarriors, too hard, too many buttons, I was lucky to get a good match in descent, or even doom, forget about what was basically an ultra complex flight sim. At a major college you could barely put together a Doom game, forget about MW.



Keep it up PGI

Ignore the haters.

Edited by John McClintock, 07 June 2019 - 04:55 PM.

[FRAGTAST1C]

You can view active number of players per season here.. https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/]
1. Your XP bar remains active even after you max it out at Tier 1. It's just that even if you play badly, the XP bar doesn't fall back to Tier 2 unless you've just reached Tier 1. Like it's pointed out, the consequence of an extremely bad loss is negated by a mediocre win.

2. Tiers are just XP bar. Everyone will get to Tier 1 eventually. Some do it faster than others.

Edited by FRAGTAST1C, 07 June 2019 - 07:38 PM.

[LordNothing]

the tier system was nothing more than a way to spare new players from the seal club.

[Jackal Noble]

I’m convinced that a number of my matches have t4-5 players based on some of the absolute nonsense I hear on comms.

[Phoenix 72]

The link Fragtastic provided does not work for me, so here is another one:

https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/

This is the Jarl's List. It should be performance of everybody over the course of the past 34 or so seasons. It also shows how many people played at least some matches over the past few months... In the current version, that number is 39K players. It it's prime, I am told that number was around 250K.

Tier are not balanced at all. You earn more points on average when you win than you lose when you are defeated, so the vast majority of players will eventually reach Tier1.

Edited by Darakor Stormwind, 08 June 2019 - 01:59 AM.

[Humpday]

I'd not even look at the tier bar man...I'm T1, and while I was good a long time ago...I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY bad now. I tried playing last night and I couldn't for the world of me break 300 damage.

I mentioned this problem a long time ago, your "Tier bar" should degrade over time. People like me, who stopped playing should be dropped back to beginner tiers, and have to dig back out. This creates SOME balance, I say some, because there are people with real good muscle memory and pick back up where they left off even after a long break, but thats the minority. Then the people that are T1 and still play regularly, can stay up in Tier and be matched at that level.

Anyway, none of that matters because the population is too low to even match make properly, which truthfully, now that I'm a potato again, I really dont' care anymore lol. I just run around corners just to end up solo in front of the entire enemy team. So no matchmaker is going to help that level of potatoness.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Humpday, on 08 June 2019 - 06:37 AM, said:

potatoness.

I love that word

[John McClintock]

Humpday, on 08 June 2019 - 06:37 AM, said:

I'd not even look at the tier bar man...I'm T1, and while I was good a long time ago...I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY bad now. I tried playing last night and I couldn't for the world of me break 300 damage.

I mentioned this problem a long time ago, your "Tier bar" should degrade over time. People like me, who stopped playing should be dropped back to beginner tiers, and have to dig back out. This creates SOME balance, I say some, because there are people with real good muscle memory and pick back up where they left off even after a long break, but thats the minority. Then the people that are T1 and still play regularly, can stay up in Tier and be matched at that level.

Anyway, none of that matters because the population is too low to even match make properly, which truthfully, now that I'm a potato again, I really dont' care anymore lol. I just run around corners just to end up solo in front of the entire enemy team. So no matchmaker is going to help that level of potatoness.

I feel you, I couldn't get a computer to run MW2 for years, and only occasionally get one working with MW3, fortunately someone figured out the WADS for movement, and space for jump. And I was used to it form WoW, but I felt like a total newb, trying to pick it up again, took me days just to start to feel comfortable. And even now I'm still finding new keys I need to try and add. Plus I accidently hit the dreaded "Reset" button, and lost all my work. Still trying to fix it. We need a "last saved UI" (And customizable UI, like in WoW) cause that's some messed up B.S.

I'm not color blind, but that's a whole 'nother issue. A customizable UI (colors, shades, mini map rotation, etc) should really be part of the options. Most other games, I'm sure, have it. Why not this one? It wouldn't even be hard for the nerd boys (that PGI keeps locked in the basement) to implement.

:Takes off glove, throws it down:

[John McClintock]

Jackal Noble, on 07 June 2019 - 10:10 PM, said:

I’m convinced that a number of my matches have t4-5 players based on some of the absolute nonsense I hear on comms.

I was in a match with a first time player, two or three times in the last month, @ tier 2. I'm ok with randomness, fast match is better. And Solaris is just crazy town, 'nother story, lol.

I ONLY PLAY QUICK PLAY.

Not because I don't like u people, but I have "other commitments" and can't do the guild thing. Maybe some day. Maybe. And by that time y'all better be watching out for the next gen I'm training. Freebirth, but loves clan tech.

Some matches I get rolled with everybody else. Although, I notice if people talk, we win the vast majority of the time. It odd to have chatter and still lose. IF you do lose (with lots of chatter) it's almost never a total burn ie 0:12, usually ~6:12 at worst.

No talkie matches?

It's the difference between "So good you don't even need to say it out loud" and "We just got out posteriors kicked because nobody started talking before it was too late."

Total RNG

Use some ice breakers, jokes are good, loud music, whatever. Wake people up. Some of them might even be good shots, despite...

[Void Angel]

It's a mistake to consider a change we want only on the basis of whether we think it's hard to code. Aside from the fact that we might be wrong about that difficulty, we also can't measure opportunity costs for PGI of devoting the resources to a given feature.

[John McClintock]

The Jarl's list is interesting.

If there are ~25,000 current players world wide, and I'm 5,000th in k:d ratio, it would make me top 20%, world wide. in k:d

Or if I'm rank 17 in wins, in season 34, it means I play too darn much. :-p

It also shows a slow steady decline in membership. :-( that makes me sad.

It's not as bad as some say, but looks like PGI needs to find a way to attract more people, or active players need to recruit.

Hint

Hint

Hint

[Burning2nd]

John McClintock, on 07 June 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

I keep seeing people post about their percentage. like "I'm a top 10%" or "He's a top 1%" How do they calculate that? Or are they just making up numbers?

its a bunch of nerds who are basing everything off a incomplete formula seriously do your self a favor and disregard it:

[Antares102]

John McClintock, on 08 June 2019 - 01:58 PM, said:

The Jarl's list is interesting.

...

It also shows a slow steady decline in membership. :-( that makes me sad.

If that makes you sad dont click this link and try to understand its implications:
https://steamcharts.com/app/342200#1m

[Void Angel]

Keep saying the game is dying - I mean, people have been saying it for years and they've got to be right eventually, eh?

[Prototelis]

Burning2nd, on 08 June 2019 - 02:27 PM, said:

its a bunch of nerds who are basing everything off a incomplete formula seriously do your self a favor and disregard it:

lol

[Heketon]

Antares102, on 08 June 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

If that makes you sad dont click this link and try to understand its implications:
https://steamcharts.com/app/342200#1m

Except that that only shares information on people who play though Steam. If you take a look at the Jarl's list, you'll see that the game still plays to 20,000+ players for a niche game that is how many years old now?

This is the big reason why PGI is moving on to MW5. It is shiny and new.

The business rules and assumptions that were used to develop MWO (two team combat, CryEngine, no solo play,and a very poor tutorial experience) are limiting factors on the game.

Their marketing is a joke. Their official Twitter platform barely speaks unless they're trying to sell something. Think to all the Wendy's Twitter memes you may have seen. PGI doesn't seem to want to use the platform to actually interact with its base, much less a potential new player.

[Burning2nd]

Prototelis, on 08 June 2019 - 06:24 PM, said:

lol

there is not 16000 players

jarls list is on crack

Edited by Burning2nd, 09 June 2019 - 02:11 PM.

[Prototelis]

Burning2nd, on 09 June 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

there is not 16000 players

jarls list is on crack

There were 23000 players that played more than 10 matches last season.

It uses the MWO API, its a direct pull from their public stats. While AMS alone isn't the best way to judge how well someone plays; if a player continually has a less than 1.0 KDR, WLR, and a low average match score they aren't good.

[HGAK47]

Humpday, on 08 June 2019 - 06:37 AM, said:

I'd not even look at the tier bar man...I'm T1, and while I was good a long time ago...I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY bad now. I tried playing last night and I couldn't for the world of me break 300 damage.

I mentioned this problem a long time ago, your "Tier bar" should degrade over time. People like me, who stopped playing should be dropped back to beginner tiers, and have to dig back out. This creates SOME balance, I say some, because there are people with real good muscle memory and pick back up where they left off even after a long break, but thats the minority. Then the people that are T1 and still play regularly, can stay up in Tier and be matched at that level.

Anyway, none of that matters because the population is too low to even match make properly, which truthfully, now that I'm a potato again, I really dont' care anymore lol. I just run around corners just to end up solo in front of the entire enemy team. So no matchmaker is going to help that level of potatoness.

Great post, reading this was the thing I needed to install and play some MWO again. Il be a potato, always was lol I just wasnt a total nooblet and got into T1 but that doesnt really mean much.

Humm havent flew around trolling with the spider 5V in a while

[Antares102]

Heketon, on 09 June 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

Except that that only shares information on people who play though Steam. If you take a look at the Jarl's list, you'll see that the game still plays to 20,000+ players for a niche game that is how many years old now?

Yes I am aware that now all players are on Steam.
However Steam is statistically speaking still a vaild tool to indicate the downwards trend of players MWO is facing.
My comment was aimed at that nothing more.