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[The6thMessenger]

So I was at an Incursion at Crimson Strait, and we had a perfect setup in the saddle, we're right by the top deck. We couldn't go through for a base-rush, so we just made a firing line. We waited for the enemy team to just push through the saddle so we can fire at them.

Someone said "Light scout so we won't get backstabbed", and then some dumb **** says "Go Around", and guess what, the team goes around, firing line withers, and when the enemy pushes, we were being killed one by one, from the rear.

Everybody knows that people tend to base-rush Incursion at Crimson Strait, so obviously the fight happens at saddle. Why the **** do they do this? are they impatient twats? We had a good setup -- had -- but then we got slaughtered because stupid team couldn't manage to stay together.

/rant

Edited by The6thMessenger, 24 June 2019 - 05:35 PM.

[HammerMaster]

[GuardDogg]

In MWO appears their is a lot of bosses/chiefs. If you do not perform well, you will be called out. Your stats will be looked at, like it is a job.

[LordNothing]

HammerMaster, on 24 June 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

ive said it time and time again, open a can of tuna.

[Jackal Noble]

Mashmaker

[thievingmagpi]

i think we found all the people who wear slip on shoes because tying them is too complicated

[RickySpanish]

I understand your pain OP. I always giggle when some army sounding guy pipes up at the start of Rubellite Oasis and says "right, kill all the 'Mechs on the lower level first, then focus the guys up top". Happened a couple times now, ends the same way. They sound so knowledgeable too. Eejits.

[Wil McCullough]

RickySpanish, on 24 June 2019 - 06:12 PM, said:

I understand your pain OP. I always giggle when some army sounding guy pipes up at the start of Rubellite Oasis and says "right, kill all the 'Mechs on the lower level first, then focus the guys up top". Happened a couple times now, ends the same way. They sound so knowledgeable too. Eejits.

"Go basement."

2 min later -

"How did we lose?"

[FRAGTAST1C]

Wil McCullough, on 24 June 2019 - 06:39 PM, said:

"Go basement."

2 min later -

"How did we lose?"

I remember one match not too long ago on HPG. Ash was on my team in his Thanatos (I think) and he clearly called for people to regroup, push together and defend the top. But some dumb guy in his Assault loudly said, "No, I'm going to the basement" and took his Lance with him. The entire match turned into an argument between that guy and Ash and whoever was left outside the basement NASCAR'ed while the Charlie Lance stood in the basement. At the end of the match, that Assault guy was proud of doing 700'ish damage and losing 12-2.

[Bowelhacker]

FRAGTAST1C, on 24 June 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

I remember one match not too long ago on HPG. Ash was on my team in his Thanatos (I think) and he clearly called for people to regroup, push together and defend the top. But some dumb guy in his Assault loudly said, "No, I'm going to the basement" and took his Lance with him. The entire match turned into an argument between that guy and Ash and whoever was left outside the basement NASCAR'ed while the Charlie Lance stood in the basement. At the end of the match, that Assault guy was proud of doing 700'ish damage and losing 12-2.

12-2? Did Ash disconnect?

[FRAGTAST1C]

Bowelhacker, on 24 June 2019 - 07:19 PM, said:

12-2? Did Ash disconnect?

I don't quite remember. Ash said something after the match was done and that's when that Assault guy remarked that he had done 700-something damage. I just followed Ash and managed to pump out 350'ish damage and steal a kill in my Catapult It was funny as hell listening to Ash call that other guy, "Dum-dum"

[LordKnightFandragon]

LordNothing, on 24 June 2019 - 05:55 PM, said:

ive said it time and time again, open a can of tuna.

Yeah the video game equivalent of 'opening a can of tuna' is put a target down to the "almost dead so someone can get a kill" state....and watch the entire world open up at once....

[RJF Volkodav]

Why Is It Hard For People To Just Form A Firing Line?

1) Ppl do not understand whats the line means. Tend to think that means hiding in a pit and waiting for enemy to come (lose).
2) Ppl do not understand what does "holding" a line means. Enough to shoot em once or twice so they start hiding without return-fire.
3) LMR-fire-support-ill-hide-behind guys leave you team with half of an armor making "holding" a line much harder.
4) There are always a tactical genius commander at the battlefield calling for some unique moves that ruins a game (aka go basement guy).
5) Literally noone understand that you need to be aware of flanking while standing at the line.
6) Its usually enough to have 2-3 of those mentioned so your fireline becomes weak and wont work against adequate flanking/pushing. So many of those who understand the idea dont care about building it in QP normally.

Edited by RJF Volkodav, 24 June 2019 - 09:50 PM.

[Snowhawk]

Yesterday I had a skirmisch match on Frozen City (new Version). My Team decided to switch the side…. but there was no reason to to this, I mean there was no base to cap. My Team realised it and diceded to attack the enemy trough the death-valley…. hell, there was no cover in the valley and they were getting sniped and lurmed to death. I wrote in the Chat how dumb must a Team be to do this "strategy".... and this in Tier 1.

[Davegt27]

OP better question is why dont PGI

move the base from under the saddle to C7, C8, D8 area

[kapusta11]

Because solo queue is a 1vs23 game mode. The goal of pugs on your side is to lose the game.

[arcana75]

Too often I say HOLD THE LINE, then realise too late I'm all alone, be it a fixed position around Grim or Caustic's central feature, or the top of HPG. Then die painfully and alone.

Sorry, but I'm looking at my radar and if I see the blue blobs trending right, I'm following. I rather "murderball" than hold the line alone.

"murderball" cuz when we win, it's called a murderball, but when we lose, it's called nascar. Funny that.

[FRAGTAST1C]

arcana75, on 25 June 2019 - 04:57 AM, said:

"murderball" cuz when we win, it's called a murderball, but when we lose, it's called nascar. Funny that.

"Murderball" is when the team forms up and pushes into the heart of enemy. NASCAR is when the team tries to flank and fail.

[Nightbird]

You played quick play, got what you deserved

QP is a part of academy basically, it's for people who are learning... to put it nicely

[Xiphias]

The two biggest reason are 1) lack of trust and 2) impatience.

1)
A firing line is only effective if your team supports you. Standing and fighting with only a few mechs is worse than just staying with the team. I trust my team to hold a fire line if called to. Pugs lack this discipline and as such many people have been burned by trying to hold a partial firing line. No one wants to be the last person holding a failed firing line, so once one starts breaking it falls apart quickly.

2)
People are impatient and don't want to stand around doing nothing (even if it is the optimal strat). As such, people will tend to wander off if a firing line isn't quickly engaged. Fast mechs like lights will flank (which is okay since lights don't really form firing lines anyway), but then other mechs will start to follow and reason 1 kicks back in.

Pug firing lines also tend to collapse quickly if things start going badly. Someone will get focused and start to fall back and the whole formation will collapse as a result. Teams have the discipline to hold the line and cycle mechs that are getting focused without loosing the firing line.