Mystere, on 24 August 2019 - 10:14 AM, said:
Don't know about the first one.
A quick google search shows that women could not vote or hold political positions (the rank of general is, in a sense, a political position). They did serve in the military. So its a stretch.
The second one, yes. I believe they were. Allow me to make the case.
The issue wasn't female soldiers.
It was female soldiers where there wasn't any created for and followed heavily with politically-motivated reasons and developers shaming players because "we know better than you."
Russia had lots of female soldiers.
Some areas of Europe,
especially the grossly underrepresented France had female soldiers and fighters.
Africa had female fighters (in fact they could have scored double brownie points for the very political motivations and political correctness culture they were pandering to if they used REAL examples of REAL women in World War II).
But the game not only puts in a female soldier with what was alleged to be a British accent, but a crippled female soldier with a prothestic far advanced for its time in the trailer (whom could easily be a stand-in for the Big Boss impersonator in Metal Gear V) and in the actual game the story is based on a mission performed by 12 men and performed with combat kills...and retold as a woman and her mother where the woman murdered about 100+ men (depending on how you play it) and the mother sacrifices herself for the mission. (No one died on that mission in real life)
Battlefield 1 was based on true-but-exaggerated stories. And we were told that BFV would be the same way. As such they were coined by the developers as Battlefield Stories.
Battlefield V basically took things that happened and rewrote them to suit a political narrative.that wasn't necessary. (No one would have complained if it was about women that actually fought in the war instead of a retelling of a real mission in which real people risked their lives and then depict the entire mission as a cluster **** rather than the resounding success it was.)
Battlefield spent a long time and a number of games developing how it's realistic and accurate. BF1 slaps us in the face with a horde of fully automatic weapons in World War 1. BF V then slapped us with completely making **** up and couldn't even give us the courtesy of "its a fantasy world war 2," no they pushed it as "this is world war II and you just hate women."
Now as an example, I'm fine with Hanna Delacroix. French woman turned prisoner turned freedom fighter. It's made up and not based on a real person (I'd prefer that it and any other characters would have been, but at the very least it's trying). She's also not a story driven character with a campaign.
The one that bothers me is this person: Solveig Fia Bjørnstad. In terms of origins it makes sense despite being another made up person. What bothers me is less the character (even if it is basically a masculine Mary Sue in a female body as is Hanna) and more the fact that the entire scenario is based on a real story of 12 real soldiers in a real event that took two attempts to finally succeed. She not only manages to do it mostly by herself, she does it with up to over 100 kills in a mission accomplished with no kills, does so with incredible efficiency unbecoming of her origin story, and is emotionally dead to what she is doing.
It isn't good writing and the game did not benefit in any way for making this change. Now, playing as a spy, playing as French resistance member trying to make a big event happen. Such as Romanian Olga Bancic, whom has over 100 sabotage actions attributed to her in the French Resistance, some of which are believed to have reduced the effectiveness of the luftwaffe's bombing runs on Britain. She was captured, permitted to watch 22 men be executed before being relocated out of France for her own execution (due, strangely, to a sexist law that does not permit women to be executed in France)
True story, some wiggle room, and a political narrative about inequality without having to make **** up and BFV would have been fine. But Dice had to go the same route as say, putting the Millennium Falcon in Star Trek to fight the Dominion War and saying that the Force was always part of Star Trek.
And that was just the first random name I clicked off of a list of dozens upon dozens of real women with real stories.
One of them was apparently a Trans person, because despite being in a list of female soldiers with a female name, the person's constantly referred to as "He" and "Him". If DICE wants to push a political narrative there's plenty of real examples to use.... A made up example is bound to piss everyone off.
So for the second, yes. Despite how the media has bastardized the whole thing and framed it to fit their own narratives, the players did indeed have a real reason.
My wife pointed out another hero while I was in the bathroom just now.
Mariya Melentyeva
This one actually looks very similar to one of the actresses used in Battlefield V. Is a real person, with a real story that isn't well known and should be, and was post-death given the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, along with a few other women. She in fact witnessed the death of one of these women, salvaged the mission and completed it on her own and died over 9 months later during another operation. Many positive checkmarks, nothing negative.
Also this one stood out.
Medal of Honor did a homage to
Hélène Deschamps Adams and that game received NO backlash... because despite a different name, the character was based on a real person with gameplay and missions based on exaggerated real life events in a world war II game that never said they were going to deliver real stories of world war II and then give us something made up.
This came up when looking for backlash for Medal of Honor Underground just to be accurate in saying there was none.
Tweet from Combo Broker
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Remember the backlash when
#BattlefieldV got announced? In 2000 EA released Medal of Honor: Underground for
#PS1, set in World War 2, starring a female solider & had off the rails moments including {Godwin's Law} knights. No one said anything then, they were simpler times.
It was fictional character, based on a real person, whom wasn't crippled, whom did real things, in the real World War II, from a game that never claimed it was going to give us real world war II stories. As opposed to a made up female character based on a masculine persona (seriously switch the gender and drop the guy's age to 17 and you wouldn't even notice anything out of place for how Solveig behaves), in a fictitious retelling of a real world event with additional sacrifices never made and additional combat never performed and all done in a single attempt by a single person (with the help of her mother whom is a female prisoner in a place that did not have any prisoners of any gender) when the reality was 2 attempts by 12 trained people on a specific mission that scored no combat kills despite having to make two separate attempts and barely escaping with their lives the first time.
If a company is going to advertise that they're going to give us something that was real, say they will do it the justice it deserves, give us "real stories"... then that's what we expect. So, again, I say that yes the backlash was well deserved for DICE.
No matter how much they try to downplay it or have journalists in their pockets attack the customers and simplify the subject matter to simply a gender issue, they originally showed us a Call of Duty-sized map, initially pushed what we were seeing as single player gameplay, respawned the crippled woman without breaking the single player illusion, did some absolute nonsense, revealed it was supposedly multiplayer gameplay by introducing the HUD rather late into everything, giving us some absolutely batshit stupid gameplay, and showed us a katana and a German soldier wielding caveman club as World War II weapons melee weapons...because...why? It only escalated from there as it rightfully should have.
Maybe for Battlefield's battle for American Independence from Great Britain, DICE should put people in wheel chairs equipped with bazookas in English battle formations and give the commander a minigun, and rewrite it so that an alien from space with a third gender gets to take center-fold, whom will then become Elvis!