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[Andross Deverow]

I am sad today. I logged on and read the patch notes. Ugh.. PGI has gone and done the inevitable with my beloved MWO of which I am a founder. They are selling GXP... Basically turning my beloved game into a pay to win. I am dissapointed in you PGI. your new MW5 will more than likely fail on the failed epic game store. I hope it does... I will wait for a finished product on steam after a year. May Microsoft take the franchise back and may you fail in all future endeavors...

Regards..

[Prototelis]

lol. no.

[Verghast]

It's more like a pay-to-skip-the-bloody-grind, so no, not P2W

[Dee Eight]

if selling gsp is "pay 2 win" then what was giving away bonus cbills, MC, and modules years before when buying mech packs ? As a sales model for a developer... pay to win is actually a better method than depending on micro transactions.

Edited by Dee Eight, 25 September 2019 - 03:28 PM.

[Humpday]

Pay to win..what? The game has been shelved.

Also, why would you want it to fail? No ones is itching to pick up the MW headache of a franchise which means you'll likely have to wait another 10-20 years for another one to come * out if it fails.

Edited by Humpday, 26 September 2019 - 03:34 PM.

[dario03]

I'm going to say buying gxp/gsp/cbills is not p2w or at least not enough to be a big deal. Mechpacks are more p2w than this since if a new mech is good you can only get it with real money for a while. But even that isn't much of a p2w since its just for a limited time and only an issue if a mech is op at launch like the KDK-3.
Meanwhile gxp and cbills can be earned in game all the time and gsp during events now. And with the skill tree some players got a bunch of gsp and cbills from module refunds. Some players who play a lot have enough gsp/gxp/cbills that they haven't had to level up a mech through grind since the skill tree came out and probably won't ever since the game won't last forever. Plus leveling mechs only makes that mech better, its not like grinding 100 mechs to max level makes other mechs better. If you only play a few mechs you only need those few leveled.

Also I assume you meant you can now buy GSP since you could always pay to convert xp to gxp and buying cbills has been around for a long time. So not much has really changed.

Edited by dario03, 25 September 2019 - 03:44 PM.

[JediPanther]

Buying xp means nothing. Some of us just didn't bother and stockpiled all we could for that big new "thing" whatever we imagined it to be that never came. It'll be official when pgi goes "well...there's all the source code for the game...insert link to download...thanks for the money fools; now get off my island so we can work on the next target demographic!"

[LordNothing]

Andross Deverow, on 25 September 2019 - 03:02 PM, said:

I am sad today. I logged on and read the patch notes. Ugh.. PGI has gone and done the inevitable with my beloved MWO of which I am a founder. They are selling GXP... Basically turning my beloved game into a pay to win. I am dissapointed in you PGI. your new MW5 will more than likely fail on the failed epic game store. I hope it does... I will wait for a finished product on steam after a year. May Microsoft take the franchise back and may you fail in all future endeavors...

Regards..

pay to win? lol. i wish i could have bought gxp years ago. now that i can all my mechs are mastered. why did pgi wait till end of life to start monetizing things?

Edited by LordNothing, 25 September 2019 - 05:24 PM.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Andross Deverow, on 25 September 2019 - 03:02 PM, said:

I am sad today. I logged on and read the patch notes. Ugh.. PGI has gone and done the inevitable with my beloved MWO of which I am a founder. They are selling GXP... Basically turning my beloved game into a pay to win. I am dissapointed in you PGI. your new MW5 will more than likely fail on the failed epic game store. I hope it does... I will wait for a finished product on steam after a year. May Microsoft take the franchise back and may you fail in all future endeavors...

Regards..

People can't differentiate between Pay-to-Win and Pay-to-reduce-the-annoying-grind-we're-sorry-we-didn't-do-this-earlier.

[Tsukimi]

I save my GSP and GXP for when I need to do fine tuning on a mech I have already got to 91 points and a patch changes the mech's quirks or weapon stats enough that I feel I need to compensate for the changes else where.

Other wise I am currently still sitting with 245 GSP from the old skill system even after assigning all my historic xp and SP to my older mechs as well as grinding up newer ones since then. I like to play my mechs while skilling them up so that I can do fine tuning along the way for each one instead of relying on a handful of "pre-built" generic skill trees to play the mechs before even learning how they work best for me and my playstyle. Even more so since I run mostly Stock or Upgraded stock builds.

[50 50]

I found this oddly relaxing.

[L057FUNC710N]

Can you please explain how on earth you would interpret reducing the grind with money to be pay to win.

I am honestly interested in hearing how you think in any way this makes the game pay to win...but have no problem with some of the best variants of mechs being behind a paywall....

[Curccu]

Pay to win how? I got almost 2,5 million GXP and some people have a loooooot more than that...
Celyth who has the best W/L ratio in the game (not including alts) must have like a billion GXP.

[Comante]

I always thought that Hero mechs were Pay to Win. GXP can improve a mech but not change your life from loser to winner.

[Kotzi]

I love how people cheer for beeing allowed to pay to cut the grind that you dont need at all in the first place. Ye, good spend resource on that PGI. Instead spending dev time on good stuff you obnoxiously spend it to extend the grind, but it was a stroke of genius as it seems cause now you have people actually looking forward to pay you to cut the grind instead of playing and mastering the mechs.

If i would still be playing i couldnt care less because it was part of the fun for me to play the mechs and master them but kudos to you PGI. By the way the 91 Skill points do alter the mech, just saying.

[Anjian]

Its too late for PGI to turn evil. Selling advancement is something I see nowadays in so many games, right from their launches.

Honestly I won't mind selling GXP. It should have been done long ago.

[Daggett]

Andross Deverow, on 25 September 2019 - 03:02 PM, said:

I am sad today. I logged on and read the patch notes. Ugh.. PGI has gone and done the inevitable with my beloved MWO of which I am a founder. They are selling GXP... Basically turning my beloved game into a pay to win. I am dissapointed in you PGI. your new MW5 will more than likely fail on the failed epic game store. I hope it does... I will wait for a finished product on steam after a year. May Microsoft take the franchise back and may you fail in all future endeavors...

Regards..

Chances are high that there will be no steam version if epic release fails.

Also how can MWO be even remotely pay to win when you can purchase and outfit most top performing mechs with a new player's cadet bonus after playing just 20 or so matches? Even if you need several days or a couple weeks to fully level up said mech that's really fast to get your hands on highly competitive stuff. Skipping a few days of grind while running a mech that performs well even without any skill-nodes is never ever pay 2 win.

To win consistently you need only ONE good mech and some skill of cause. Every other use of cbills, mc and gxp is just for variety and pokemech, but you can't increase your performance with further investments.

Edited by Daggett, 26 September 2019 - 01:44 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Humpday, on 25 September 2019 - 03:31 PM, said:

Pay to win..what? The game has been shelved.

Also, why would you want it to fail? No ones is itching to pick up the MW headache of a franchise which means you'll likely have to wait another 10-20 years for another one to time out if it fails.

Honestly, looking back at 7 years of MWO trainwreck I truly wish nobody picked the license rather than butcher the franchise like PGI did ...

[ShiverMeRivets]

PhoenixFire55, on 26 September 2019 - 02:25 AM, said:

Honestly, looking back at 7 years of MWO trainwreck I truly wish nobody picked the license rather than butcher the franchise like PGI did ...

And somehow you put yourself through this terrible ordeal of playing MWO for 7 years without anyone pointing a gun to your head. I am impressed by your resolve to endure self flagellation.

[Sigmar Sich]

Andross Deverow, on 25 September 2019 - 03:02 PM, said:

I am sad today.

You're very much right to be sad, but for very wrong reasons.