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[Pz_DC]

1) LB10-X AC / C-LB20-X AC ?... Is that fair?..
2)So, all those who play only clan/IS (for any reason) are missing all rewards, right?

3)Idea is cool, but make challenges like "who deal more damage with (Set Weapon here)" with bigger reweards, IMHO it will be cool.

4)Thanks for the event.

Edited by Pz_DC, 27 September 2019 - 02:42 AM.

[SirHavan]

It looks like the ERLL awards are with the PPC event and vice versa - same with the LRM/SRM - was that the intent?

Edited by SirHavan, 27 September 2019 - 02:48 AM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

I bet it was intended. Some sort of, you finished this challenge, here's the stuff to finish the other!

[DeadWeight18]

@Matt Newman

you might want to change the reward of 1 IS LBX10 in the Ballistic Level 2 Challenge into IS LBX20.

[Appogee]

Pz_DC, on 27 September 2019 - 02:41 AM, said:

all those who play only clan/IS (for any reason) are missing all rewards, right?

Well, if you're gonna handcuff yourself, don't complain that your hands are tied

[Dee Eight]

Its like they completely forgot what the current mix of trial mechs were in the current cycle. How hard is it to open their own game and see what weapons the trial mechs have and then setup the challenges for those weapons ?! Or at least make all the 1st stage energy., ballistic and missile challenges involve the weapons of the trial mechs... and then the stage 2 ones involve the items awarded from finishing the first part.

Edited by Dee Eight, 27 September 2019 - 04:06 AM.

[Bolo Atari]

Or maaaaybe ... maybe ...

it was

Intentional

[Kuaron]

I don’t understand the trial Mech request at all.
You can save Mech loadouts for temporarily rebuilding them, and a newbie has its first own Mech after about an evening.

[Mighty Spike]

The SRM6 dmg is not counting when i have Artemis equipped?

[Dee Eight]

Mighty Spike, on 27 September 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

The SRM6 dmg is not counting when i have Artemis equipped?

No, only non-artemis SRM6 damage counts

[skorpionet]

why ARTEMIS isn't allowed?

[tee5]

skorpionet, on 27 September 2019 - 05:55 AM, said:

why ARTEMIS isn't allowed?

Because it is stated in the description of the Event.
https://mwomercs.com/events

"[color=#CCCCCC]Test your skills with these Weapon Challenges. Use the Correct Weapon Systems to Complete. Start with the weapons you have to minimize purchases. Missile Weapons are Non-Artemis."[/color]

[Sabertooth1966]

Neat event but I own no clan mechs, 70 something IS mechs, so I'll be just, maybe, getting the last three. Yes I could use trials but most have really add weapon groups i.e.. 3 to 5 groups, that you can't switch to more comfortable spots. So will probably not realy attempt the ones that need clan weapons.

Edited by Sabertooth1966, 27 September 2019 - 07:32 AM.

[Matt Newman]

Next time I am going to:

• Separate Clan and IS to 2 different Challenges.
  
• Have a Starting Challenge that gets you the first Weapon
  
• Then each challenge gets you a subsequent weapon and Reward
  
• something like Victory= Machine guns = Rotary Cannon 5 = AC 10 = Gauss
  
• with additional rewards at each tier of Damage or something like that.
  
• Feel free to list some cool weapon sequences that you think would be good

[Tesunie]

Dee Eight, on 26 September 2019 - 10:01 PM, said:

I thought you guys had learned to stop putting up challenges that cannot be done with the trials mechs alone ?

Of the current crop of 16... there's no clan ER large laser option, no ER PPC options of either kind, no IS LB-10 or LB-20, no LRM 10 of either kind, and no IS gauss.option. Also none of either class of mechs that have SRM6s are using regular SRM6s... they all have artemis.

Essentially you've given us an event that nobody on trial mechs can achieve any challenges other than the match score ones.

Part of this is the communities fault. Rather than submitting mechs of various loadouts and types, people voted for new champion designs that often where "flavor of the month" designs, rather than interesting and new player friendly loadouts. This is why a lot of mechs have CERMLs or IS LPLs. Or why Gauss is on a lot of these starter mechs... Etc.

I'd also like to comment that not every event should be completable with strictly trial mechs, though I wouldn't disagree that "half" of these events should have a weapon on a trial mech, so new players can earn the other half's weapon systems to place on their own mechs. However, I don't see this as a requirement for a good event. Most players should be able to quickly get a couple mechs (from my experience), and these weapons aren't as expensive as a mech is. (If this was "deal damage in X mech", it could be more of an issue in my opinion.)

Just my opinion and view point of course.

[Tesunie]

Matt Newman, on 27 September 2019 - 07:54 AM, said:

Next time I am going to:

• Separate Clan and IS to 2 different Challenges.
  
• Have a Starting Challenge that gets you the first Weapon
  
• Then each challenge gets you a subsequent weapon and Reward
  
• something like Victory= Machine guns = Rotary Cannon 5 = AC 10 = Gauss
  
• with additional rewards at each tier of Damage or something like that.
  
• Feel free to list some cool weapon sequences that you think would be good

I'd love to see the rewards be common weapon combinations. You know, those weapons that work well together when combined into a single role.

For example, I found UAC10s and AC2s to pair really well. So a reward train could be "Get a KMDD or Kill and deal 200 damage in a match - AC2 - UAC10 - PPC (because PPCs work well with AC10s, not so sure about UAC10s)."
Or
ML - (C)(B)AP - SSRM
Or
LPL - ERML - LL
Or
CHLL - CERML - CLPL

Of course, not all good weapon combos have multiple (more than three) systems involved, but we could cycle them though as one weapon chains into another (as exampled in the first one with AC10s and PPCs). It could even chain into "LL-ERML-LPL-ERML-LL" so when you finish you could make a build of 2-3 LL or LPL and 3-4 ERMLs, which can be a decent mid range build on many mechs. Or a lot of smaller chains rather than one long one...

[Eurystheus]

I've been playing MWO for a year and this is the first time, since I became aware of the challenges, that I've seen one like this. To complete it I've had to alter some of my builds. At first I wasn't too happy about that, but then I took a Corsair that had two heavy Gauss rifles and replaced them with 2 LBX-20s, and low and behold that build worked out very well, and I'm tempted to leave the Corsair that way. Of course, since I've bought the weapons, I can go back and forth between the builds for free.

The challenges, for me, are fun. With enough work and practice I'm usually able to complete them all. Except for shooting down UAVs. I've never been able to shoot down a UAV during a challenge. Either I don't have the right mech for it (can't pitch back at enough of an angle) or someone beats me to it (while I'm backing up to get the right angle). Someday, I'm sure, I'll get there.

[Renzor the Red]

Well, you know, it is a 7 day event. And there are c-bill rewards for some objectives that you can
accomplish even though you don't own this or that.

You could always buy a mech that will let you finish. With c-bills.

I like the event. Going to be fun. I'll start it tonight when I stream. I don't normally use LB20X's or ERLL's, but whatever; I'll make it work. That's part of a weapons challenge: trying new things and new tactics. Looking forward to it.

Edited by Renzor the Red, 27 September 2019 - 08:52 AM.

[Matt Newman]

SirHavan, on 27 September 2019 - 02:47 AM, said:

It looks like the ERLL awards are with the PPC event and vice versa - same with the LRM/SRM - was that the intent?

Yes so if you finish one challenge you will have the weapons for the other.
IF you had ER LL but no PPCs do the ER LL ones first. The damage total kinda makes it harder if you go for level 2 first but i tried to have the more common / easier to use weapons in the first tier.

[n00biwan]

And even if you're dirt poor, you can sell anything they give you to buy one of the other things. Pretty sure you can spider through this pretty well.

Best event challenges I've seen for a while in terms of originality, and the prizes help you do the other part of each challenge, it's made to be done by almost anyone.

Also add my vote to the "more fp stuff plox" column. The current reinvigoration of fp has been nice, and pugs are playing pugs and having close/exciting games. (a note to fp veterans who believe only players with mastered mechs should play, newbies need mechbays more than anything, encourage them, maybe they'll join the playerbase for as long as we have left instead of leaving in a huff)

Make the game fun for us all, in the final stanzas, go out on a high, if you're going out.