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[Nesutizale]

Interesting, yes the walking *****....Stalker works well with both type of legs. Most likely because its strange shape is neither humanoid nor Marauder like.

In this image it even looks like it can bend both ways?

[Koniving]

Nesutizale, on 07 December 2019 - 02:27 AM, said:

Interesting, yes the walking *****....Stalker works well with both type of legs. Most likely because its strange shape is neither humanoid nor Marauder like.

In this image it even looks like it can bend both ways?

In many of the images, it usually has one leg bent forward and the other backward.

Even with the torso removed by destruction.

It was the weirdest thing to ever behold.



The ever rare, better art that favors humanoid leg movement usually centers the torso just a bit more.

But many keep that complete defiance of gravity pose as the very first drawing was done that way, and like the original Commando with the head turned 90 degrees to look to its left, some BT artists thought it was a one-eyed look...and even MWO has the one eye look.

In this case, many stalker artists tend to depict the Stalker with the same leg craziness.

Of interesting note, MWO's Stalker follows the Stalker 2 design of the 32nd century

[Nesutizale]

The original artwork in this case is...not so good.
I like the Stalker2 or MWO design a lot more. Now that I look at the images...I think I would go with Stalker2. Somehow the chicken legs make a much more stable impression to me than human legs. Espacialy with the long nose on the Stalker.

[Karl Streiger]

Koniving, on 06 December 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

Incomplete and in need of polish, but mine is only 220 polygons. The block is there as a size reference and is not staying with it.

Well my current hellstar can be found here:

https://www.thingive...m/thing:3671995

Other shot Highpoly -6mm print of the Partikill at the left side

Edited by Karl Streiger, 07 December 2019 - 10:40 AM.

[Koniving]

Karl Streiger, on 07 December 2019 - 08:27 AM, said:

Well my current hellstar can be found here:

https://www.thingive...m/thing:3671995

Other shot Highpoly -6mm print of the Partikill at the left side

For a printout, you're lacking the square-grid structure that'll help it withstand the test of time (as is it'll be fragile). Though another thing I looked up has the same issue, so I guess it's common. (We professionally 3D print miniature rotomolding visual samples of products to showcase to big buyers.) And is it the thingviewer or is the actual model doing the artifacts?

Because in comparison, a lower poly weapon I found of 1/1000th the file size with multiple weapons and the full mech.

isn't suffering the banged up edges (yes it's got the heavy aliasing).

I like it, yours is using the Shrek PPC carrier which is one of those things that brings up the main issue with variations of the same weapons. I've only been using a liberal license in cases where the weapon is so generic I can't find a cool looking unique appearance (i.e. every. single. minigun/gatling gun. in BT 3026).


For example, there's 4 versions of the GM Whirlwind/5... two versions of the GM Whirlwind/L.. The full details here.

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I came across a projectile size conflict of particularly interesting note. (First up, the GM Whirlwind for AC/2s is either GM Whirlwind/L or Whirlwind/L for short, never seen it referred to as Whirlwind/2 though I understand the confusion because of Whirlwind/5.. Which brings up another interesting conflict of an identical nature which I'll get to in a second.)
So first tidbit first. We have the caliber(s) of the Blackjack's GM Whirlwind/L. Two different ones. Interestingly.. both are identified as GM Whirlwind/L or Whirlwind/L. Both are written by the same Author, Loren L Colemen. Their settings are 3-4 years apart. I need to look back to find out if it is the exact same Blackjack variant, but it is identified as the same weapon. The sizes are 30mm (Binding Force) and 32mm (Threads of Ambition). Thoughts? It's kinda similar to the M1100-Heavy (regular) MG with 12.5 and 12.7 but at least that's different authors.
So that brought up a second thing of interest but AC/5: GM Whirlwind/5 120mm Marauder (the obviously common use with multiple authors including Wolves on the Border) and GM Whirlwind/5 on a Marauder at 50mm (The Killing Fields) [Huh, Loren again...] and the Whirlwind (as opposed to GM Whirlwind/5 or Whirlwind/5) Wolverine 90mm (Wolves on the border) and again Wolverine simply identified as Whirlwind (Price of Glory) at 60mm.
Given that the Marauder and Wolverine versions of the GM Whirlwind are structurally very different, I think it's safe to say they are different weapons under the same brand name, like Heckler and Koch's MP5 and MP7, similar function but different structure entirely. Then among identical models but vastly different calibers, we have Heckler and Koch's UMP and how some versions use 9mm while some use .40 caliber (10.16mm) or .45 caliber (11.43mm). These variations are distinguished as UMP9, UMP40 and UMP45/USC. So I know we just make a note until they officially give them differing names as opposed to making our own named distinctions, but if you were to make a distinction for them when comparing side by side in a store or something, what would it be? (It'd be useful for my planned MW5 mod as I plan on including all the variations)--Koniving1 (talk) 18:53, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

So there's 120mm and 50mm used by Marauder. Then there's 60mm and 90mm used by Wolverine.
Use them as separate weapons? Combine and pick one? Etc.

In those cases, I did separate them weapons.
In Magna Hellstar, use just the one to standardize them, or modify so that the Shrek PPC carrier's version needed some physical tweaks in order to work with say a lower power fusion engine (having the particles spend more time getting excited as they build up in longer chambers) or as modifications in order to be able to use all three at once with the barrels facilitating a longer range as well to compensate for the delay?

Also the picture I dug up kinda ruins the color I was going to give the Hellstar PPC by giving it the generic PPC blue.

The second image you shared didn't show.
Just reads "Posted image."

[Koniving]

On a different note, a meander tells me I need to have some Clan weapons ready to go.

Spoiler

Do NOT open if you do not want to spoil the late game. Only warning.

Spoiler

But... of those that appear, one isn't built until 3059 and the other is built in 3034 but wouldn't be seen in the IS until the after 3059. Not 49, 59. And it's only two.

(Also no Marauder 2, but numerous post 3057 mechs....)
(And some of the mechs released this year that some thought would be for MW5 and couldn't see any other reason to release them...they ain't here.)

Edited by Koniving, 07 December 2019 - 12:24 PM.

[Koniving]

Karl Streiger, on 07 December 2019 - 08:27 AM, said:

Well my current hellstar can be found here:

A quick thought.. Given that it's a high poly model I was wondering how you are accounting for the recoil of PPCs?
Or did you edit that out with the science?
(That's where mine is lacking polish as I need to separate the final ring at the base to allow the PPC to have animated pull back to show the recoil not only in how the mech moves but in the weapon itself).

The reason I ask is given that the PPCs are structurally connected and supported by the tank's armored frame (making it a real pain to replace the barrels but giving them much needed additional support), there is no accounting for allowing the barrels themselves draw back in order to reduce the stress on the rest of the vehicle when firing. Though PPCs fire streams of energy and superheated particles, they are stated to have a kinetic element that pushes the target (and thus gives the PPC recoil strong enough to jerk the arm of a Warhammer).

There's a point on the barrel's support where if modified to have a sliding action, the barrels could be allowed to slide back a bit. (That's actually where the longer barrels make the most sense compared to a mech's version, to have room for them to recoil so they don't kill the gunner and commander inside the turret).

Edited by Koniving, 07 December 2019 - 12:31 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

Koniving, on 07 December 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:

A quick thought.. Given that it's a high poly model I was wondering how you are accounting for the recoil of PPCs?
Or did you edit that out with the science?
(That's where mine is lacking polish as I need to separate the final ring at the base to allow the PPC to have animated pull back to show the recoil not only in how the mech moves but in the weapon itself).

The reason I ask is given that the PPCs are structurally connected and supported by the tank's armored frame (making it a real pain to replace the barrels but giving them much needed additional support), there is no accounting for allowing the barrels themselves draw back in order to reduce the stress on the rest of the vehicle when firing. Though PPCs fire streams of energy and superheated particles, they are stated to have a kinetic element that pushes the target (and thus gives the PPC recoil strong enough to jerk the arm of a Warhammer).

There's a point on the barrel's support where if modified to have a sliding action, the barrels could be allowed to slide back a bit. (That's actually where the longer barrels make the most sense compared to a mech's version, to have room for them to recoil so they don't kill the gunner and commander inside the turret).

Really depends on the idea to have a animated recoil effect. I considered it for ACs and GaussRifles alike, that it consist of the actual gun barrel/accelerator and the cooling jacket. The concept might look more understandable when you look at the current Armstrong (see below)
In this case the cooling jacket remains and the gun slides internal reducing the moving mass (so the recoil of an AC5 doesn't drive 8 tons but mere some hundred kilograms)
As for the PPCs they also use different principles - the only real description is to be found in the lore of the Manticore- that's why there are those large bore heavy cooled short barreled things. They work more like a kind of soft-sicfi plasma cannon. Some other (especially the blueprints depict ppcs as kind of van-graaf linear accelerators that simple transport and direct a electric charge. As for the hellstar - I considered Mercury as a solid transportation medium - you have heavy ions that doesn't get that fast but the impulse ion impact is better and the "beam" duration is shorter, pure hydrogen protons or electrons might get much faster but you need lots of them, so you need a bigger barrel causing or a longer beam. The next is the focus it totally makes sense that ERPPCs use a kind of laser to burn a ionization path (there was a interesting video in the net showing a guy with a kind of van-graaf accelerator that used a laser to focus the charge.

So it would totally make sense to have 3-4 PPCs that behave completely different some light the LordsLight a compact weapon might have a small accelerator but some heavy storrage cells in the body for not so powerful shots but those at a high rof.

Spoiler

Ok maybe it's not that visible because it's for printing but there should be a space between the holes of the muzzlebreak and the slits of the jacket
https://images-wixmp...VYmGmTjgakdhBTs

[Koniving]

Side note I wasn't planning on working this Sunday, and I didn't get a chance to post any 3D models I haven't already posted out there.

This said I've added the Omicron 3000 (was going to be handheld but Unleashed opted for the arm-strapped version) and early Diverse Optics 2 (hand-held laser) over there as well as tacked on numerous Omicron weapons, and started a new format with the Diverse Optics lasers to have the quick summary up front and the fluff in a spoiler [along with images].

(Will post back when I get a chance to read, Karl. Off to get ready for work. Sunday through Tuesday, short week with the offset of my 40 hours paid for free, yay! Gonna have lots of time to mess with stuff this week.)

[Koniving]

And I feel stupid -- it's Saturday not Sunday. Wife was like "Why do you need a lunch?" "It's Sunday, I gotta work today because of the inventory taking over Thursday." "Oh I thought you were going to the store. It's Saturday."

It's not visible because the file name doesn't end in the file format but letters/numbers and the link is a paragraph long...
But damn does it look good... with the issue that it has more polygons than Unreal Tournament 3 has in biggest level. (Doing that is actually good for creating "graft on" texture work like I did with the Panchor Jackhammer).

(from 2003, using an image of Fallout 2 to make the texture). Considering it's a less than 128x128 screen grab from Fallout 2, I'd say the texture looked decent. But a screen grab of the AC from multiple angles then placed on a 2k or 4k plane and used to graft on the texturework for the cannon, and you'd get the high poly look without the full 3D.
Can even try to have it translate into bump maping (something I can't do with wings 3D).

And the Nano MP from Red Faction 2 (made 2003, learning to get much more efficient with polygons.)


So taking the high poly version and using it to create the textures for the low poly versions is a good technique for consideration.

But like with this old weapon, I opted a decade and a half ago for just making the simpler model, mapping the texture and getting an artist to fill it out however they please. Its also my current approach.


As for the fancy unique looks, I'll get creative when I run out of good art from BT. (This said, like 90% of the vehicles have piss poor weapon art pre-1999..)

Parti-Kill Heavy Cannon actually has defined lore (as does another one that I'll have to look up).
Parti-Kill specifically fires a "bottle." Their words not mine, that it fills up with energy. Meaning it fires an actual projectile. This bottle has the issue that it completely disintegrates into an explosion at exactly 540 meters if it doesn't burst sooner. So there are others out there. In fact I believe you can find it in TRO 3026 on a tank / hovertank.

Edit: Yeah, Parti-kill is on the manticore tank. The Krupp Kinslaughter H-class ER PPC also has a good deal of lore (Techmanual 2006?2007? under ER PPC and in a subsequent TRO 3075 or experimental I can't recall which). However, while it was originally a Krupp Kinslaughter, the entire story of Krupp industries was replaced with a new madeup factory ALSO based in Germany with the same storyline, but called "Martinson Armaments". So now it's a Martinson Armaments Kinslaughter H-Class.
Krupp lasers on the lancealot for some reason are still Krupp... when it's the same company so they should now be Martinson Armaments lasers...

Retcons piss me off.

Anyway...

Edited by Koniving, 08 December 2019 - 11:51 AM.

[Koniving]

For those that are looking the support the mod...

3D model goals

Needs to be able to fit-and-look-like-it-belongs on many different units. A weapon barrel that looks amazing on one vehicle or mech but can't even fit on anything else..just won't fly too well. If the weapon looks far more advanced or too alien to what is already being used, or clashes too much with the existing art style (anime super duper mega cannon for example), then it probably won't fly. This is why I'm exhausting Battletech artwork for weapons first before making original appearances. (Bit of an issue with BT artwork is some of it is very sleek and many machines are intended to be curvy, and PGI went with a blockish, unrealistic setup where the curves meant for armor protection are flat-out lost).

Needs to fit within the limitations of the polygons established by the game's models themselves. Use a model from MWO or MW5 for reference by looking at its weapon attachments. Excessive polygons can cause rendering issues and slowdown. 1,000 or less should be the ideal goal, and most weapons are less than 500 to 1000.

Need to have "Holes" established where appropriate for the meshes to avoid clipping and culling issues. The playstation 1 era is long past.

All weapons need to be centered and oriented per the direction of MW5 weaponry (I'll have to pull it to find out what the orientation is).

All parts of the weapon need to be "combined" if made out of multiple parts so it is treated as one mesh.

Do not tesselate weapons. Bump mapping is fine..though not certain if MW5 supports bump mapping.

Finished weapon needs to be texture map ready.

[Koniving]

Some of the changes planned in regards to HUD (sorry not the change you're looking for) and some mechanics in regards to weapons, as well as ammo types and such.
Is in serious need of formatting so spoilered for now.

Spoiler

Hud interaction change for all weapons
Cooldown bar will be replaced with "Weapon Heat bar". This includes the by crosshair pips
Rather than starting full after firing and slowly depleting, it will start empty and fill as you fire. If it hits 80%, it is overheated and may lockout.
If it exceeds that point too far or hits 100%+, whether due to override or from firing while very close to too hot, it will suffer an overheat penalty.
Each weapon has a finite amount of "overheat" health. Depending on its depletion, it would need repairs or replacement (lost).

Override mechanic change.
In Battletech, there is no "override shutdown." In the lore the override is for the weapons safety lockout to prevent a shutdown, prevent you from overheating the machine to the point that you will die.
There are now two overrides.
Override selected weapons group -- all weapons within the selected group will have its safety lockout overridden, allowing you to fire until the weapon either ceases working (master lockout) or destroys itself.
Override reactor lockout. After riding above 80% reactor heat for a short period of time, all weapon systems are locked and many other systems shift to minimal power mode. This is because the heat level is unsafe for the pilot as well as the reactor, and if this temperature is sustained for too long it is likely that ammunition will begin to cook off. Power for movement is sustained in order to allow the pilot to try and withdraw to a safer location, but at some point the mech's mobility will also begin to suffer.
->If more than 80% heat is sustained for an unspecified period of time, the pilot may suffer possible heatstroke represented through a number of ways with the most disturbing of which being hallucinations. Beyond this, both the mech and the pilot will become sluggish and it may be easy to become disorientated. This becomes progressively worse over time.

Shutdown.
There are three situations in which a shutdown may occur.
1) The reactor reaches 100% heat. The reactor will cut off and will not be able to be activated again until it reaches 46% heat. When the reactor cuts off, the mech will literally lock into place which may cause you to fall over.
2) You have pulled too much energy at once. While it would take an extreme to achieve this, it is possible. The behavior is identical to 100% heat. However regardless of the level of heat, a manual restart may be required. (Requires the emergency activation function to be implemented first, though may simply use a timer.)
3) You have been hit with a Mech Taser. Mech Tasers are equipment that will only be supplied to infantry groups, and requires a support weapon to be set up. Infantry need time to do this so ignoring infantry for too long can allow them to set one up. If your mech gets tased, depending on the severity and the size of the mech's powerplant, you may be disabled, you may have some systems fry, and other unpleasant side effects. If a squad of infantry reach a mech that is powered down by Mech Taser, the mech is done for.

Emergency activation: A consideration to allow a manual restart of the reactor in the event of an emergency. If implemented, it is likely very few mechs will have this feature and it may be Alien-Isolation-esque in its implementation.

How MGs and autocannons will work.

Spoiler

It's worth noting that the game takes AC ammo, and gives different load values for different weapons...for some reason. This means it may be possible to just have "AC/20 ammo" and have 3 different AC/20s feeding from it with completely different values.. If so, a "simplified" version of the mod would come out in which ammo can work for any specific weapon class without worrying about specific ammos.

Hud/weapon change
The ammunition display will be modified to reflect the current amount of ammunition in the loaded cassette and the number of reloads you have available.
If for some reason it doesn't work as anticipated, you'll see instead the current amount of ammunition in the loaded cassette and the total ammunition not yet loaded.
"Belt-fed" weapons will have a similar treatment, however the number after the slash will represent the number of tons of ammunition instead of individual cassettes.
When the ammunition count on the left depletes to 0, the weapon locks out to "reload." Once reloaded, the weapon will be functional again. A different color on the "heat bar" (formerally the cooldown bar) will represent the time for reloading.
Range:
MGs are given two ranges, the effective range against BAR 1 armor and against BAR 10 armor. BAR 10 is the armor level of Mechs, beyond this range effectiveness against mechs is significantly impaired to non-existent. BAR 1 is armored infantry, the weapon will have full effect out to that range against infantry, tapering off from there.
Autocannons are not limited by their expected accuracy range as a "this is the full damage range." The typical AC can go out to about 2,000 meters. Autocannons have individual ranges and velocities which help to dictate what their actual ranges are. Their given range reported on the mechlab will tell you the range of the AC in question after which the maximum damage potential is lost. From that range onward, it will begin to lose kinetic potential, meaning it won't hit as hard. Most AC shells also pack an explosive element, once kinetic potential is completely lost the explosive element is the end point of what the ammo can do, which without penetration under the armor.. is hardly going to do anything at all but can still kill softer targets at extreme ranges.
Autocannons using ammunition without explosive elements tend to have higher kinetic potential and are instead reliant on penetrative damage, these may go further but the lack of explosive potential means they may simply bounce off. Rifles exhibit this behavior.
In a vacuum, kinetic energy is not lost over range.



How lasers will work.
Hud/weapon interaction
Laser will raise heat in the "Weapon heat bar" (formerly the cooldown bar), and will stop functioning for a required cooldown time on the shot that touches the "too hot line." Most lasers will find it difficult to overheat to the point of negative consequences, but if the firing is spaced out a bit to allow for some weapon cooldown, it is possible to fire enough times to exceed the "too hot" line. In doing so you will also have accumulated higher damage delivered to the target. (If the standard is three shots, but you managed to get 4 or 5 before the weapon locks out, that's 133.33% or 166.67% of the damage output expected of the weapon.) Some lasers can do this easier than others, and some cannot do it at all.

Range:
Most lasers can be somewhat effective to twice its stated range. In vacuums, four times its stated range.
However, elements such as dust, smoke, fire, storms, water, etc. will degrade the laser's damage potential as it passes through. Anti-Laser Aerosols are a counter measure that can be used by mechs, vehicles and aircraft alike that can significantly reduce your potential laser damage. When firing beyond the stated range, the negative affect of these atmospheric or artificial obstacles to your laser are doubled.

Sustained beam
This type of laser relies on a low-peak, sustained beam to deliver its damage and functionally fires similar to a Star Trek phaser. The beam can last up to 2 seconds, though usually many are done in a second. The damage per 0.1 seconds is considerably lower high-peak pulse-type beams, however, the weapon fire is continuous allowing for correction of aim and streaking large areas with death. It is up for consideration whether the beam just fires until it is done, or if the user should be able to activate and deactivate the beam by holding and releasing the firing button. The concept for doing this is to be able to deactivate the laser before it overheats, allow it to cool a little and milk that for additional damage before it overheats.


Short beam type
A beam of under 1 second, with a longer firing delay than a sustained beam and more power within the shorter window of fire. Leaves no user control to disconnect the beam.

Pulse-type
Fires individual shots, typically with a short 'priming' time to excite the laser and build up its power for a high-peak release. These lasers manage to do significant damage with beams lasting 0.3 seconds or less, have a firing delay between trigger pull and firing, which is fed to you by a sound of the weapon filling its capacitors and sending the energy through the lasing medium to excite it before release.

Projection pulse
An extremely rare type of weapon that combines elements of a laser and a PPC. Fires a sort of laser "projectile". It has elements of both a laser and a PPC, with only some of the advantages or disadvantages of either.

Long pulse type.
A pulse type distinction intended to inform you that you're looking at both the longest pulse of a pulse type class, as well as a longer priming time. These have the trade off of the highest amount of damage for a pulse-type laser weapon. Think Halo's Spartan Laser, usually with less charge time.

Repeater Pulse-type
Fires a rapid, low-energy-draw, no-delay 'pulse' that is particularly weak but able fire as rapidly as you pull the trigger or at a set rate if held. This can allow the possibility of pumping a lot of burst damage in a very short period of time at high risk or to be able to fire on command when needed without issue. On a standard laser class, these tend to be underpowered but trade the power for the energy efficiency and spammery without the extra weight or heat. Think Star Wars blasters, but usually without the umph.

Rapid pulse (laser chaingun)
Usually a beam type similar to the standard pulse type, however there is a noteworthy 'priming' time and the weapon fires more like a heavy caliber machine gun, all the while having reasonable damage per shot. The laser can be stopped at any time but the remaining energy still needs to be discharged and the weapon still needs to prime again to be fired once more.

Power pulse type
A laser with the longest pre-fire charge time followed by a delivery of substantial damage in an impossibly short pulse time. These are rare and typically are both the slowest firing and most infrequently firing lasers to be found.

ER lasers.
Can achieve three times stated range with a linear degradation over distance. Six times in vacuum.
Functionally they are similar to standard lasers. However, they take longer to 'excite', will be able to carry further and push through atmospheric debris / anti-laser aerosols better. It isn't until the 2x range mark that these will have "double degradation" to the ER lasers.

How pulse lasers will work differently than standard lasers.
Are only 25% affected by atmospheric conditions.
Have shorter charge times whenever a charge time exists against comparable standard lasers of similar power.
Can achieve faster firing rates against comparable standard lasers of similar power.
It is easier to "pace" a pulse laser to try and achieve more damage before the weapon overheats.
Pulse lasers begin losing effectiveness at their stated range, but can reach to 2.5 or 3 times their stated range. 5 to 6 times in a vacuum. (This means pulse lasers can do some damage out to the same range as standard lasers, but by then the pulse laser is so weak it isn't worth the heat you are generating). This is because low energy lasers are significantly less affected by bloom than high energy lasers.

How missiles will work.
Heat seeking missile: Seeks out heat sources. The hotter the target is, the stronger its "pull." These missiles are not locked and are fire-and-forget. However, they will go for the hottest target on the field including your own team mates. Open flames may draw heat-seeking missiles or distract them.

Basic missile variants:

• Ballistic missile (standard LRM variant) Fired into the air, from which their decent is without thrust or power. The least likely missile to be tracked by AMS or to set off missile warnings. Also among the least accurate.
  
• Fire and Forget: Simply fire in the general direction of your intended target. Will automatically try to pursue the target closest to its flight path. Fairly accurate but frustrating if there's more than one potential target. Can be locked to ensure it goes after the appropriate target.
  
• Heat-Seeking: Tracks hot targets. Don't fire near volcanic heat sources. Extra accurate on cold maps, except during storms. Easily tricked.

Artemis-IV missile:
A fancy remote control targeting suite that uses a laser range finder to paint a target and uses the onboard targeting computer to steer the missiles remotely. Unlike standard LRMs or SRMs, the target must be painted, locked and held for best results. ECM can break this control anywhere along the LoS to the target and LoS to the missiles themselves. Artemis missiles affected by ECM become standard fire and forget missiles, with the associated reduced accuracy.

Streak SRMs
A missile launcher that pre-programs a flight path into the missile prior to launch. Unaffected by ANY jamming equipment (in the timeline).

Listen-Kill Missile
Begins to appear as early as 3029 as prototypes in some areas and in large numbers by a specific pair of factions in 3038, this really expensive missile is quite accurate and uses sound to track its targets. Counter-efforts begin to appear in 3039, and counter measures are commonly available by 3040.

Tandem Charge missiles
An armor piercing missile that can be equipped to SRMs (and MMLs some day). At 5 times the expense of a standard missile, this isn't cheap and is rarely if ever used. If you should get your hands on some, consider it your ace in the hole. Decent tracking capabilities. Satisfying boom.
https://www.sarna.ne...-Charge_Warhead

Inferno Missile
They combine flammable chemicals with an adhesive compound to shower their targets with a burning gel. This gel is designed to increase a 'Mech's heat levels to the point where the DI computer shuts down the 'Mech's Fusion Engine. Inferno rounds are also effective at turning combat vehicles and battle armor into flaming coffins for their crews, and are devastating against conventional infantry platoons.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Inferno

Tear Gas Warhead
Useful for creating a barrier/trap against infantry. Ideal for missions that may involve lots of infantry, or disturbing the civilian population without killing them.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tear_Gas

Thunder (LRM)
Classified.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Thunder_LRM

Swarm (LRM)
{Redacted due to file corruption} Comstar would like to appologise for this inconvenience.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Swarm_LRM

Smoke Warhead
(A consideration, for some reason only seems to be available post 3057..)
https://www.sarna.ne...i/Smoke_Warhead

Semi-Guided LRM
Will be planned and developed, but is not intended to release before DLC or modded expansions to the timeline.
https://www.sarna.ne...Semi-Guided_LRM

Fragmentation Missile
A particularly rare missile in storage at certain Marik facilities designed to have a massive 'clearing' effect against infantry.
https://www.sarna.ne...ntation_Missile

Magnetic Pulse Warhead.
Developed in 3050 to mess with electronics...
https://www.sarna.ne...c-Pulse_Warhead

Retro-Streak Warhead
Anti-streak missiles. Available in the 3040s.
https://www.sarna.ne...-Streak_Warhead

Follow the Leader Warhead
A type of missile found most efficient in stream-launchers where once the first missile picks a spot and lands, all other missiles will land in that same spot if possible.
https://www.sarna.ne..._Leader_Warhead

Dead fire missiles
Missiles with the guidance systems replaced with as much explosive material as could fit. These can be fired directly at a target or at a ballistic launch angle for indirect fire.

Anti-TSM missiles
Appears in 3028 as a countermeasure to a specific kind of triple strength myomer. Probably will not find a use in this mod.

Acidic Warhead
Developed in 3050 and mass production in 3053, it is unlikely that this would be released for this mod, however, this weapon is effective against Ferro-armor which would give the Davions an edge against the Clans.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Acid_(AX)_Warhead

[Koniving]

JACKPOT!

MW5 has a full suite of animations for 2 types of infantry in combat, as well as a number of "decorator" animations for the ones you see standing around looking dumb.

These animations include firing from hip, shoulder, and crouching, strafing, etc.

This just made my job to put infantry in easier.
(Also is a bit of proof that MW5 was rushed for them to be dropped.)

Infantry types include "INF" and "RKT".

It's also a bit apparent that these models perhaps proved to be too taxing on the game, as the Mw5 model is the same as the one you find in the Leopard. The detail is too high to spam these little shits all over the field to attack you with. They need a low poly solution that I think PGI just opted out of doing.

[Koniving]

Very upset that MW5's editor is "coming soon." and that the files are STILL locked. But given that there's only one infantry model in the game, it's very obvious "who" it is.

Also apparently they would be allowed to "exercise" as indicated by pullups.

[Koniving]

Tech Animations imply that either it was once planned that you could have Technicians working on tanks...
OR... you could find Technicians working on tanks in the field.

Tank assistant 1 - 3 animations, Tank foreman animation, Tank Loading animation, Tank Loader Walk animation, Tank under chassis welding animation..

Yeah thinking about it, these guys are just meant to be in the field, possibly during the tutorial mission.
But they're nowhere to be found.

Also, "Better Human" has a bunch of stuff that I think is supposed to be for multi-player. But this includes aiming offsets, jumping, and is different from another called third person human.

There's also two Garrison workers but I think this is just a couple more basic animations for the guys at the beginning of MW5.
There's a special set of animations and model for when you wake up, too.
Spears...will never move.

Fahad COULD do stuff.
Including idle0.
Chatting.
Leaning on something.
Standing... which is what he does all the time.
Weld.
and a Terminal animation that I believe is actually him pointing at a terminal instead of using it.
But Fahad doesn't.

[Koniving]

Because I know it's going to K-town or I'm deleting the original thread soon.

Koniving, on 13 December 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

I found the deathstar!
And the eyes of Sauron.

And yes, there's infantry animations with full combat animations (except reloading) for both rifles and rocket launchers.
But no infantry combat AI.

Comedically.
There is AI on the humans to "Check if burning" and what to do if on fire.
(Possibly for the tutorial cinematic?)

There's also AI for cowering and finding flee location, so there is enough to have civilians in the field running for their lives during the raider missions.

But before you ask.
No, there's no civilian models.

So they have a full series of AI trees dedicated specifically to having people RUN from combat and cowering... meaning they had the idea and put in the effort to have civilians in the map when you go to be the evil person you are (or the hero to save the people).

May explain why some missions even have the enemy giving a voice over telling other enemies about the need to stop you right now because you're killing civilians.

For context, I got this during an instant action mission on Demolition, where once I started destroying buildings someone said they needed to stop me right now because I'm killing civilians.
And I'm like...
This isn't a military compound?
...What civilians? Where? Am I supposed to imagine these husks are occupied?

Apparently, they were either supposed to be occupied or during destruction were supposed to spawn fleeing civilians.

Side note:
Check if on fire is actually combat-related, not just for the cinematic; PGI expected you'd set people on fire with a flamer.

Edited by Koniving, 13 December 2019 - 07:04 PM.

[Pseudo98]

Koniving, on 13 December 2019 - 06:15 PM, said:

JACKPOT!

MW5 has a full suite of animations for 2 types of infantry in combat, as well as a number of "decorator" animations for the ones you see standing around looking dumb.

I've already been talking to a PGI dev about this, they are not implemented for performance reasons and the dev in question is still pushing internally for an implementation, temper your expectations while replying to yourself schizophrenically, this a forum not a blog.

[Koniving]

Pseudo98, on 13 December 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

I've already been talking to a PGI dev about this, they are not implemented for performance reasons and the dev in question is still pushing internally for an implementation, temper your expectations while replying to yourself schizophrenically, this a forum not a blog.

I already stated what the performance reasons would be:
The infantry is high poly.
Individual AI infantry is untennable.

Earlier in this thread, it's actually discussed that the ideal performance scenario would be multiple infantry animated under a single AI, in units of 2, 5, or more. And the use of low poly infantry (and now civilians) for obvious performance reasons.

This is a mod thread discussing the viability of (in addition to weapons), the topic of us, the players, putting in AI infantry, and an AI HQ commanding the really basic subordinate AI (which would also significantly improve performance).

But it is cool to know that it was an idea they had, and while I sincerely do not believe PGI can manage it, I am grateful there's enough of a start for the rest of us to do it.

[justcallme A S H]

Pseudo98, on 13 December 2019 - 07:12 PM, said:

I've already been talking to a PGI dev about this, they are not implemented for performance reasons and the dev in question is still pushing internally for an implementation, temper your expectations while replying to yourself schizophrenically, this a forum not a blog.

lol

[Karl Streiger]

In Panzer Elite infantry was depicted as a kind of animated 2d marker, it did shoot back it moved and when you put some 75mm HE into the group plus some 8mm rounds they simple vanished.

Given that infantry would fight mainly from fortifications or buildings or mounted (ok the buildings need to become much thougher) you can use them as marker or fixed sandbag emplacement without need to add walk-cycles or to much polys at all.

There are some ways to increase performance (a LRM20 doesn't need to fire 20 missiles 4 can do the same job)