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#1 Warning incoming Humble Dexterer

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 07:13 PM

Best Answer from Aidan Crenshaw :

- For friendly team (excluding yourself) : Provides direct LOS benefits to any of their indirect LOS LRMs, ATMs and Streaks.

- Against foe team (equipped with ECM) : Cancels up to 1 of their ECMs while kept pointed at one.

- For yourself : Provides a revealing borg like flashlight bolt-on.

Edited by Humble Dexter, 07 December 2019 - 10:41 PM.


#2 Dee Eight

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 08:22 PM

TAG does nothing but counters ECM now. It provides zero benefits to tracking, lock time or spread.

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 08:58 PM

i always felt that tag was weak even before they changed it. i still prefer the living legends way.

#4 Aidan Crenshaw

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 10:51 PM

View PostDee Eight, on 05 December 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

TAG does nothing but counters ECM now. It provides zero benefits to tracking, lock time or spread.

That's true for your own mech. But for a missile carrier without LOS to the tagged unit, that unit will count as in LOS towards the lock-on time (for IDF for example).
Thus, TAG has only an effect on:
  • LRM
  • ATM
  • Streak SRM


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Posted 05 December 2019 - 11:58 PM

View PostAidan Crenshaw, on 05 December 2019 - 10:51 PM, said:

That's true for your own mech. But for a missile carrier without LOS to the tagged unit, that unit will count as in LOS towards the lock-on time (for IDF for example).
Thus, TAG has only an effect on:
  • LRM
  • ATM
  • Streak SRM

Question answered. Thank you.

Edited by Humble Dexter, 06 December 2019 - 07:37 PM.


#6 Aidan Crenshaw

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 12:59 AM

Nope, TAG on itself does not induce a spread reduction. Being in LOS or counting as being in LOS does.
TAG on your own 'Mech only does two things:
  • Make an ECM-shielded 'Mech targetable for yourself and everyone else
  • Make a 'Mech count as in LOS for everyone (from which only ATMs and LRMs profit)


#7 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:17 AM

View PostHumble Dexter, on 05 December 2019 - 07:13 PM, said:

I can think of 8 missile systems in MWO :
- ATM
- LRM
- LRM+artemis
- MRM
- Rocket Launcher
- SRM
- SRM+artemis
- Streak
The initial TAG used to work on up to ~7 of them until 2018...

Yeah, TAG those SRMs baby!

LOL, ridiculous.

Edited by PhoenixFire55, 06 December 2019 - 01:18 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:54 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 06 December 2019 - 01:17 AM, said:

trolling again

Shooo, get lost, go get a lock from 999m or something.

Edited by Humble Dexter, 06 December 2019 - 07:40 PM.


#9 Aidan Crenshaw

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 02:01 AM

View PostHumble Dexter, on 06 December 2019 - 01:54 AM, said:

That's why I put a question mark at the end of my question : What does TAG do to the Streaks that you listed as your third weapon affected by the TAG ?


The effect is rather theoretical. A Streak SRM will acquire locks faster on a tagged target out of LOS. Of course, due to the flight path of S-SRMs you can't fire them out of LOS. But, theoretically, you could hide out of LOS, acquire lock on a tagged unit and then move into LOS while maintaining the lock to fire as soon as you have a clear path.

#10 Unleashed3k

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 02:03 AM

View PostHumble Dexter, on 06 December 2019 - 01:54 AM, said:

That's why I put a question mark at the end of my question : What does TAG do to the Streaks that you listed as your third weapon affected by the TAG ?


Shooo, get lost, didn't you read the first line of my initial thread up there, because you're the perfect illustration of it's polar opposite ?

And it's not like you could tell the difference between a 8 and a ~7 even if someone pointed it out to you...

There's a reason your abysmal level of ignorance is demonstrated right down into my signature, now go get a lock from 999m or something, because your presence is dumbing another thread down and this time it's my thread.

No, he is just right, can't remember TAG affecting MRM, SRM and RL, so that's 4 out of 8.... Posted Image

#11 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 02:04 AM

View PostHumble Dexter, on 06 December 2019 - 01:54 AM, said:

Shooo, get lost, didn't you read the first line of my initial thread up there, because you're the perfect illustration of it's polar opposite ?

Says the guy tagging his SRMs.

View PostHumble Dexter, on 06 December 2019 - 01:54 AM, said:

And it's not like you could tell the difference between a 8 and a ~7 even if someone pointed it out to you...

Yeah yeah, TAG those ASRMs and MRMs harder.

View PostHumble Dexter, on 06 December 2019 - 01:54 AM, said:

There's a reason your abysmal level of ignorance is demonstrated right down into my signature, now go get a lock from 999m or something, because your presence is dumbing another thread down and this time it's my thread.

Last time I've checked this is a public forum. Hence I will stay right where I am and will continue to point out all the utter clueless BS you are claiming. Oh and unlike you I do full quotes and don't need to take phrases out of context or claim that smb said smth when they never did.

#12 Aidan Crenshaw

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 02:06 AM

View PostUnleashed3k, on 06 December 2019 - 02:03 AM, said:

No, he is just right, can't remember TAG affecting MRM, SRM and RL, so that's 4 out of 8.... Posted Image


True. TAG never affected deadfire missiles. Only Lock-ons.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 06:25 AM

My turn to troll back PhoenixFire555 :

- Humble Dexter trolling : PhoenixFire555 is by far the dumbest troll I met on this forum, because he said 2+3=6.

- PhoenixFire555 : Wait, I'm not dumb.

- Supporter : No, Humble Dexter is just right, I can't remember that 2+3=6, so PhoenixFire555 is dumb for having said that.

Edited by Humble Dexter, 06 December 2019 - 07:41 PM.


#14 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 06:33 AM

Well, since you are stupid enough to insist ...

~7 means anything between 1 and 10. Given you had 8 options to begin with, what you've said with your ~7 is that you literally have no clue how many.

But please, keep amusing us with just how clueless you actually are.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 06:49 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 06 December 2019 - 06:33 AM, said:

~7 means anything between 1 and 10.

No it doesn't, but at least you tried.

Edited by Humble Dexter, 06 December 2019 - 06:50 AM.


#16 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 07:31 AM

View PostHumble Dexter, on 06 December 2019 - 06:49 AM, said:

No it doesn't, but at least you tried.

I see you choose to amuse us further ... Well, since you are such a wikipedia fan, here is smth you might want to check out:
https://en.wikipedia...matical_symbols

Or don't. We'll gladly have another laugh at some more of your delusions.

#17 martian

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 08:17 AM

What a strange thread ...

#18 Willard Phule

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 08:31 AM

So....how are those tagged MRMs and Rocket Launchers working out for you? Not holding the lock the way you thought, oh mighty elite, world class LRM master?

#19 justcallme A S H

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 12:57 PM

View PostDee Eight, on 05 December 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

TAG does nothing but counters ECM now. It provides zero benefits to tracking, lock time or spread.


As usual you are wrong. How can you have played so many games and have zero clue about a game?

TAG will speed up lock time for allies.

TAG affects all lock on weapons.

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:02 PM

View Postmartian, on 06 December 2019 - 08:17 AM, said:

What a strange thread ...


Strange...

You've got Humble talking about Lockons, the only weapon system he uses.
DeeEight posting incorrect garbage as usual.
A bunch of people laughing at the pair of them.


Seems rather normal to me?





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