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[Prototelis]

Novakaine, on 28 December 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

And we see the same cryhards night after night.

Damn dude, why you so hard on the people in your own unit? It's not their fault the "leadership" employs bad strats with worse mechs and refuses to listen to or accept the help of the rest of the community.

[SneekiBreeki]

Novakaine, on 28 December 2019 - 05:58 PM, said:

And we see the same cryhards night after night.
See how that works.

Tbf the only ones that keep on crying in here while patting eachother is you guys.

[Novakaine]

Sorry pizza here got to go it's been fun!

[Lawrence Elsa]

Have you ever wondered WHY there's such a high turnover rate for players in loyalist units? It's because there is such a damn stranglehold on listening to the input of other teams and players. Believe me, I've tried your techniques, I tried them for 3 damn years! I was in CWI trying my hardest to stay in an insular community AND raise the skill ceiling of my new people and guess what: IT IS NOT POSSIBLE! The only way players grow is to take new feedback from outside sources and practice new techniques. Practicing the same **** that doesn't work only made us better at the **** that didn't work, and it wasn't until I made alts and learned alongside other units that I got to learn what DID work, and put it to practice.
When I came back to my unit withthis knowledge, they ******* rejected it, and at that point I had enough, so I leave you with this:
Take the advice that comes from teams that beat you
Take the opportunity to fight along with other teams like MS or Kcom or whoever the hell still plays faction like Somaru and just listen and practice.
If you don't, people won't grow in your unit, they'll grow out of your unit.

[Davegt27]

I say give what the OP wants a try

at this point cant hurt right ??

[sinba1ew]

justcallme A S H, on 28 December 2019 - 05:26 PM, said:

Why are you omitting the most important details here?

• IS can fire 3ERL without ghost heat. Clan can only fire 2.
  
• Laser duration/burn time. IS ERL duration is 0.2s faster and much more accurate as a result with less face-time.
  
• On a BLR-1G with 5 ERL you can alpha all 5 at once for 98-99%% heat.
  
• On IS Quirked mechs you can get even better duration (go mechlab for once).
  
• Again IS Quirks - Use ERL mechs with 10% range quirk only. Simple.

All day? Probably 5mins because this should be common knowledge for anyone with a basic understanding of the Mechlab.



100% agree.

HHoD is great they take on new players/train etc.
HHoD is bad because they teach them extremely bad habits/strats and then blame a non-existent tech-disparity.

never ommited the 3v2 L-laser limit
i mentioned that You get to shoot less of em

My point was that You are way better of with 2 Clan ER-LL than with 3 ER-LL...so pretty much would just like to clear it.

I might not be perfect but i do not want to be acused of ommiting info, i specificly said what i count and i told ranges i concider

[justcallme A S H]

sinba1ew, on 28 December 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

My point was that You are way better of with 2 Clan ER-LL than with 3 ER-LL...so pretty much would just like to clear it.

No.

2 x cERL is 21.5 dmg over 1.35s
3 x IS ERL is 27 dmg over 1.1s

You are wrong.

You also did not include quirks which all good IS ERL mechs have.

You need to learn to mechlab.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 December 2019 - 06:57 PM.

[Angm4r]

I try to avoiding wading into the "brown sea" at all costs, but I thought I would pop in here just to make a couple points. But first, hats off to you guys that are the top pilots. Ash, Nightbird, etc. I see your scores and the way you guys work and I admire it. You guys kick *** and take names and there's no two ways about it. And I want to say that we also appreciate the tips on mech builds. A lot of our pilots are discussing some of these and making changes. We're always on the lookout for better ideas on builds.

But I do want to clear up a few things
- Yes - we take on new pilots all the time - and try to "show them the way"; but we're not teaching them all clan is OP. We point them to the same smurphy data sheet that you guys probably use and try to get builds that work - again, thanks for your thoughts on some of these builds
- "Just get the right builds" - well of course - but when you're bringing newbs up its a constant cbill battle for them. We have at times, literally bought mechs for our pilots.
- "Go clan side and see how the other side lives" - Yes, we do a lore thing here. We're the HeadHunters of DAVION. But yes, we go clan side sometimes when the opportunity presents. But see point above. We've had folks bring trial mechs just to build out a clan drop deck. (BTW - for anyone that wants to celebrate beating a bunch of newbs in trial mechs might I suggest you set your bar a bit higher before gloating?)

Let's talk about game mode for a second - you can't on one side of your mouth say, "you need to fight [this] way" but then on the other say, "you are so predictable".

Here's what I can promise you - we're not going to fight the way you want us to.

We are always going to be trying new tactics. Yes, and sometimes we'll get our asses handed to us. But also, if you're salty because your base gets capped, well, defend it. You are the better pilots. You've just said you've got the better builds. But you can't defend your base? You can, you chose not to?. C'mon now - don't be mad because we took a bunch of cadets and guests and used better tactics against you and then ask for the game to be changed. Sorry (not sorry) that we ruined your usual ROFL-stomp.

Asking the game to be changed because people won't fight the way you want them to fight is #loserthink. You need to break out of that bubble. If you don't want to beat by "worse pilots in bad builds" then change your tactics.

[Prototelis]

lol, no one is mad that you won because you shot buildings. Your unit currently has a .67 WLR on the leaderboards. Clearly NSR, bad lrm strats, and PVE isn't working that well for you.

Gen rushing is a ******** crutch you rely on because it allows you to beatpug groups that would normally beat you in a straight out fight. Ask yourself why you get beat by randos and then ask yourself if shooting buildings teaches anyone how to get better.

[cougurt]

Isaiah Kell, on 28 December 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

NON EXISTANT? whatevs. you're just trying not to get your precious clanner high damage at long range nerfed (despite that being what needs to happen)

Most important? nah, not the fact that your weapons do more damage at longer range? that's not what's important. nah whats important is nerfing all altwincons.... bs

10% range quirk... yeah that's enough (NOT) we have to devote min 5 tons to a TC to not match clan.

you're arguing with people who have played both clan and IS extensively at the highest level of competition. they know what they're talking about.

[Novakaine]

You're arguing with people who have played both clan and IS extensively at the highest level of arrogance and sophistry.
Fixed it for ya fanboy.
Back to my left over pizza

Edited by Novakaine, 28 December 2019 - 08:34 PM.

[sinba1ew]

justcallme A S H, on 28 December 2019 - 06:54 PM, said:

No.

2 x cERL is 21.5 dmg over 1.35s
3 x IS ERL is 27 dmg over 1.1s

You are wrong.

You also did not include quirks which all good IS ERL mechs have.

You need to learn to mechlab.

Burn times are not relevant to damage total cause at ranges above max range of IS IS can not do any damage, so clan can fire em in groups of 2 ... also supression works longer TBH, u ever chain fiered em?.... they look verry similar in group of 1/2/3...so all and all You can scare some players, especially heavier ones ath who it is easy to hold aim.

In the end my point still is relevant - where You are not geting shot at, the stare time is not an important thing, thus causing it to not be taken in concideration

Also...een quirks & targeting comp (and target comp can be taken by clan too, they have more tons for it), even they can not get us to clan ranges

So it is always so, that clan can just fire for free for a time, and later has vast damage advantage for another time... til finally IS gets close... but the advantage in damage already done stays

[Bowelhacker]

This whole ******* thread has been one TL;DR. Be concise, *******.

[Daidachi]

Sinba, may I suggest to you that you choose a night that's mutually suitable for you and some of the guys you're back and forthing with here, and join in on drops with them. Run the builds they say, do what they tell you to do.

Then come back to this and reply with the benefit of first hand experience.

[K O Z A K]

Bowelhacker, on 28 December 2019 - 08:40 PM, said:

This whole ******* thread has been one TL;DR. Be concise, *******.

"we lose when we don't rush gens, and we only play IS, so the only logical conclusion is...clam OP"

[cougurt]

Novakaine, on 28 December 2019 - 08:33 PM, said:

You're arguing with people who have played both clan and IS extensively at the highest level of arrogance and sophistry.
Fixed it for ya fanboy.
Back to my left over pizza

i'm no fanboy, i'm just saying you might want to listen to the people who actually know how the game works instead of making endless excuses. thanks for the worthless comment.

[justcallme A S H]

sinba1ew, on 28 December 2019 - 08:36 PM, said:

Burn times are not relevant to damage total cause at ranges above max range of IS IS can not do any damage,

Also...een quirks & targeting comp (and target comp can be taken by clan too, they have more tons for it), even they can not get us to clan ranges

Again wrong. As many of us have pointed out - as an example...

BLR-1G with a big TC matches range to within 15m of cERL. So at all ranges you are dealing near equivalent damages for range drop off of the weapons.

What you are saying is quite simply untrue.

sinba1ew, on 28 December 2019 - 08:36 PM, said:

where You are not geting shot at, the stare time is not an important thing, thus causing it to not be taken in concideration

Now you are showing your lack of understanding of the game mechanics as duration/burn time is extremely important of a factor. Especially when you can spit out a IS 5ERL alpha burn, not overheat and put out that damage in 1.1s all at over 900m optimal.

You are trying to argue a factually incorrect point of view with the top players in the game who play ALL mechs and know the Mechlab to extremely small details because this stuff matters.

I really feel for anyone associated with your unit if you are constantly giving out advice that is so incorrect.

End of the day dude - you are wrong. Either accept it and learn/improve or stay a flat earther and keep your head in the sand.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 December 2019 - 08:49 PM.

[Prototelis]

Novakaine, on 28 December 2019 - 08:33 PM, said:

You're arguing with people who have played both clan and IS extensively at the highest level of arrogance and sophistry.

Please sir, I'm only a low ranked Div B pilot.

lawl.

The only group of people here with egos are you and yours refusing to acknowledge your shortcomings.

[Novakaine]

Prototy you do indeed lead the pack.
I'll will concede that fact.

Edited by Novakaine, 28 December 2019 - 09:11 PM.

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