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[Groutknoll]

Edited by Groutknoll, 05 February 2020 - 01:50 AM.

[General Solo]

Getting warmer

[Kroete]

Hazeclaw, on 04 February 2020 - 06:51 PM, said:

We're having some fun over the definition of nascar, but ffs don't try to justify it as a good tactic, it's born out of pure selfishness and lack of skill in players, and the only reason it doesn't end in a disaster every time is that the enemy team might be doing the exact same dumb s***.

Its like dogs chasing the (slowest) rabbid,
no tactics, communication or thinking involved,
just pure instinct.

Edited by Kroete, 05 February 2020 - 08:45 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 04 February 2020 - 06:07 PM, said:

This man has discovered fire.

This thread doesn't go counter-clockwise.

[VonBruinwald]

And of course:

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will lose, nascar fails every time.

[K O Z A K]

OZHomerOZ, on 04 February 2020 - 07:48 PM, said:

not most the most qualified at nascar I would say

thank you, that's quite a compliment

[Prototelis]

VonBruinwald, on 05 February 2020 - 10:50 AM, said:

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will lose, nascar fails every time.

In this example, nascar worked.

[The ImpIication]

So how many team does it take to nascar?

[Prototelis]

It takes two teams to Nascar.

[MischiefSC]

RickySpanish, on 04 February 2020 - 10:42 AM, said:

Nascar is the rotation of all players around a central point. How is this sooo hard to understand haha? You can't have just one team nascaring because then it isn't a nascar. Again, nascar is *specifically* the moment where *both* teams are chasing each other's tails. To chase each other's tails *both* teams must be in motion. Since nascar involves both teams, it is therefore accurate to say that it works 100% of the time, since one team will eventually come off victorious.

That's not accurate.

At that point you're not identifying a tactic or a strategy but a state. Like saying you're falling. You can't say falling works 100% of the time because to work it must also not-work. The moment you say "100% of the time" you're using terms already defined by statistics, which makes the whole statement false because percentages and calling something a success means it must be testable, testable means it can fail.

The re-definition of nascar as being the state when both teams are rotating the same way at the same time can't be tested. It can't not-work because, by the redefining of the concept that's using, the results are irrelevant and if it's not exactly that thing then you're saying it's not nascar anymore.

So no. Either you define nascar as a tactic/strategy (which is more honest given that both teams can rotate but one can nascar, stringing out, while the other stays coordinated, one team can turn, etc) in which case it can be tested and measured to say it works or not and in what percentage it is successful, or you can say it's a term to describe the state of a match where both teams are rotating the same time in the same direction, which can not be tested in the way you're defining it. As it can't be tested it can't 'work' or 'not-work'. It's a state, not a result.

[Prototelis]

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will, Nascar works every time.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 05 February 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will, Nascar works every time.

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will lose, nascar fails every time.

[Prototelis]

In your example nascar worked.



Nascar isn't a strategy. Nascar is specifically the result of two teams attempting to rotate into the back of one another.

Edited by Prototelis, 05 February 2020 - 05:44 PM.

[Gen Lee]

I think we can all agree NASCAR would be better if they threw some guns on them cars. Battlemech NASCAR is too slow, and the only thing that makes it fun is the fact you get to sometimes shoot someone in the face. I say we explore this further by having a Death Race NASCAR circuit.

I'd certainly be wiling to start spending my money at the tracks again, lol.

[RickySpanish]

Gen Lee, on 06 February 2020 - 04:21 AM, said:

I think we can all agree NASCAR would be better if they threw some guns on them cars. Battlemech NASCAR is too slow, and the only thing that makes it fun is the fact you get to sometimes shoot someone in the face. I say we explore this further by having a Death Race NASCAR circuit.

I'd certainly be wiling to start spending my money at the tracks again, lol.

Yeah we could even give the cars legs instead of wheels for uneven terrain, and separate them into four classes based on weight...

[MischiefSC]

Prototelis, on 05 February 2020 - 05:41 PM, said:

In your example nascar worked.



Nascar isn't a strategy. Nascar is specifically the result of two teams attempting to rotate into the back of one another.

Nope. As stated before, either nascar is a strategy as Hazeclaw described (which is true because a team can nascar while the other team does not. You can see this happen when your team is strung out like a string of pearls while the other team is grouped up, just as one example. Nobody is screaming "God damn it stop attempting to flank without regard for teammate positioning and group up or we're gonna get rekt!" They're saying "God damn it stop nascaring or we're gonna get rekt!")

Beyond which, as already stated, even if we take your inaccurate attempt to redefine nascar as a state the match can be in as opposed to the tactic/strategy it's generally used to refer to, that means it doesn't 'work'. It doesn't work or not work because it's not an action and can not be tested. Ergo it doesn't work every time nor can it be measured as a percentage because you're defining it as a state of being the match can be in. That's like saying 'early' works every time or 'hungry' works every time.

[Prototelis]

MischiefSC, on 06 February 2020 - 07:04 AM, said:

Nope. As stated before, either nascar is a strategy as Hazeclaw described

It isn't.

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will win, nascar has a 100% success rate.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 06 February 2020 - 07:42 AM.

[K O Z A K]

Prototelis, on 06 February 2020 - 07:26 AM, said:

It isn't.

It takes two teams to nascar, one team will win, nascar has a 100% success rate.

Can't actually refute any of his points though, eh?

[Prototelis]

All of his points are based on not understanding what nascar is; the rest of the word salad is irrelevant.