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[martian]

The Black Lanner's problem is that it invests too much in engine, so it is left with not enough tonnage for weapons. There are other Clan 'Mechs with the same flaw - Fenris, Linebacker or Man o' War.

[FupDup]

The Black Lamer is all looks and no bite, sadly. Easily the worst medium mech available and a serious contender for the worst mech period.

[Valdarion Silarius]

FupDup, on 28 January 2020 - 10:51 AM, said:

The Black Lamer is all looks and no bite, sadly. Easily the worst medium mech available and a serious contender for the worst mech period.

Even its looks are something to be desired. PGI's artwork has drastically improved it, but the original artwork looks like an overgrown turkey.

[martian]

Arnold The Governator, on 28 January 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

Even its looks are something to be desired. PGI's artwork has drastically improved it, but the original artwork looks like an overgrown turkey.

Some art depicting the Black Lanner is actually pretty nice:

[FupDup]

Arnold The Governator, on 28 January 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

Even its looks are something to be desired. PGI's artwork has drastically improved it, but the original artwork looks like an overgrown turkey.

Some of the OG art looks good, like this:



But then there are...other renditions that are less flattering.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

FupDup, on 28 January 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

But then there are...other renditions that are less flattering.

.. Clan Jade Falcon after the invasion of Burgerking-Valley on Twycross; little did they know the effects 'Extra Cheese and Bacon' would have on it's Touman.

[R79TCom1 Night Lanner]

It's not a great 'Mech that is for sure, but I have seen it work really well and used it to pretty good effect if done properly. The only build I use is the quad-SRM6 with ECM. If you max out the agility you can harass bigger 'Mech by coming in for a quick shot, run away, turn on a dime to hit them in the back. Repeat until they focus on you then MASC the hell out of there.

This really works if you are doing Group Play (yes, I know that it's dead) and had 3 or more Lanners and/or fast moving 'Mechs (100kph+) that looped around the outside of the OpFor and hit them in the back right as the heavier main force engaged. This would wreck havoc in their firing line because no matter which way they turned they would get shot in the back: if they chased you in the Lanner, bug out and let them chase you while your bigger team mates take their shots, if they focused on the bigger 'Mechs just shoot the OpFor in the back. The gem of this is, however, that if they send light hunters after you, in the Lanner you are big enough and maneuverable enough to take them on. Just get kite them away from their bigger support.

All this takes a lot of coordination and it usually helps if you have one or two warriors on the 'heavy/slow force side too to lead the coordinated attack. But when it works, and it usually does, it is a lot of fun!

I love my Black Lanner despite its flaws and its biggest one is that you are really hard pressed to do well in it in a Solo Drop for many of the reasons mentioned above. But, hey, it was designed to work with the Fire Falcon so it is not the Lanner's fault PGI will not release that 'Mech.

[RickySpanish]

It's fugly, I don't understand what visual appeal a jet fighter on legs could have. At least the Raven is iconically ugly. If the Champion weren't in game then BL would be a serious contender for ugliest 'Mech of the lot.

[Jackal Noble]

RickySpanish, on 28 January 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

It's fugly, I don't understand what visual appeal a jet fighter on legs could have. At least the Raven is iconically ugly. If the Champion weren't in game then BL would be a serious contender for ugliest 'Mech of the lot.

wot. I think you're on the short end with that opinion, a lot of people like the aesthetic of BL. I agree whole heartedly about the champion tho.

The Black Lanner is for when you want to go full masochist. It can be fun and challenging. It's strongest suit is the speed to flank the enemy and divert some attention with the ECM and armor to survive that encounter so your team can get the advantage in position.

Rinse and repeat that method throughout the match.

[FRAGTAST1C]

The Champion would've looked nice if the animation didn't resemble that of the world's weakest man trying to carry something heavy, like a kitten on each arm. There's literally no sense of balance in the animation.

[jjm1]

Nah, Black Lanners are good in QP. Use the speed, MASC and ECM to avoid being hit.

A ER-PPC cooldown quirk would have been nice to boost its low DPS, but I've made it work plenty of times without it.

You can also just pile on a ton of assorted low range weapons and go hunting.

[Magical Bacon]

Black Lanner is one of my favorite mechs. I always run the -D variant (using stock pods) with 5x HSL, 2x SRM-4 and 4x HMG.

I like running off around the map guerrilla style and hitting them in the butt while they are too busy staring in the direction of my team mates. Usually get at least one or two kills before they notice and come after me but sometimes there are people who actually pay attention and I have run back to my team and try again when things get more busy. it's a fun mech, but not for everyone.

With 148 games in it so far the win/loss is 1.69 and KDR 2.43 so it's fairly decent.

[Flyby215]

_Magno_, on 28 January 2020 - 03:08 AM, said:

I have a Black Lanner Belenarous. I really want to like this mech, but at 55 tons, it feels as fragile as a light, but with the hit boxes of a heavy.

It has speed but it doesn't feel as agile as it should be.

The Omnis are set up for 6x machine guns. Machine guns aren't duck and weave weapons and its not as easy to sneak up with this thing like in a Locust or a even a Wolfhound.

If I 2nd line with it, I usually get singled out and die. If I try and harrass on the flanks, I usually get LRMed or legged easily while trying to get away. Despite the ECMs.

If I to the long route and try and get up from behind and find a soft target, I'm usually waiting to long to be supportive to the team or I'm going toe-to-toe with something like a Balckjack and they seem to out gun me despite the firepower saying 68.

Loadout that I've settled on with the best results are 2x SRM 6, Heavy ML, 2x HMGs, 4x MGs.

I'm starting to think this is not a good mech.

Ahh the Belo, one of my favourite mechs to play. As you said so yourself, it's certainly not a great mech, and not one of my go-to's when I know comp players are in the queue, but still a definite favourite in my line-up.

In Solaris (1v1 dueling) run the Belo in its typical layout for the movement bonuses, with 6xHMGs, 2xSPL, 2xSRM4. You'll be ammo starved, but 1v1 you don't need much ammo. In quick play, similarly, you'll only be good for about 1-2 kills but those kills will drop fast. If you're really good with coordinating 'Invert Throttle' with MASC you can comfortably stay behind an assault mech.

The obvious problem is that it is extremely short range, so you're totally screwed on Polar or Alpine or anything with any remote amount of range. Also, without ECM, you'll be easy pickings if the enemy stays grouped or your own team plays passively.

It's kind of an all or nothing type mech.

Swap the HMG's for regulars MG's for better longevity, the SPL's for ERSL's and trade the SRM4s for SSRM4's or 6's and a BAP to chase away light mechs. Most light pilots don't really like it when a 55 tonner can keep pace with them.

Throw in the ECM with 5-6 ERML's for a typical ranged harasser... I'm playing around with this now and can usually pull 300-500 dmg without too much trouble.

Again, not a very good much, but it can be fun

Magical Bacon, on 29 January 2020 - 08:03 AM, said:

With 148 games in it so far the win/loss is 1.69 and KDR 2.43 so it's fairly decent.

1960 matches, 1.66 W/L 3.44 KDR

Edited by Flyby215, 30 January 2020 - 09:32 AM.

[Brom96]

Usually it is configuration with 3xStreaks 4 and small lasers. It is easy to overextend and ECM helps a lot, but, aye it is made of glass. Keep poking at the enemies, while you teammates pin them or pursue the lights. Just keep moving around, turning and dancing.

Average damage is about 300 to 400 per match.

That being said, I prefer light mechs.

[martian]

In BattleTech less useful 'Mechs often have lower BV (Battle Value).

But since there is no such thing in MechWarrior Online, there is usually no point in using the Black Lanner, if you can deploy the Ryoken or the Goshawk instead.

[FupDup]

martian, on 02 February 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

In BattleTech less useful 'Mechs often have lower BV (Battle Value).

But since there is no such thing in MechWarrior Online, there is usually no point in using the Black Lanner, if you can deploy the Ryoken or the Goshawk instead.

A smaller medium or even a light mech would probably cost lower BV than a 'Lanner while offering similar or better performance.

[Prototelis]

lol

Battle value broken and exploitable anyways. Why even bring it up in any context?