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C.a.s.e Doesn't Prevent Hgr Explosion From Tearing Your St Off?
#1
Posted 20 March 2020 - 05:08 AM
#2
Posted 20 March 2020 - 05:35 AM
#3
Posted 20 March 2020 - 05:46 AM
I was thinking that my Bounty Hunter could benefit from having a CASE beneath the HGR but I heard Betty complaining about the weapon explosion and then it ripped my ST off.
#4
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:01 AM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 05:08 AM, said:
CASE works for all internal explosions, no matter how big those explosions are. Specifically, it contains the internal explosion so that it does not propagate towards the Center Torso.
However, much depends on how many points of internal structure you have left.
Check this example:
FNR-5 Fafnir has HGR in its side torso and that side torso has 42 points of internal structure. Okay. HGR explosion means 25 points of internal damage.
Thus there are two possible scenarios (for simplicty we will talk only about the internal structure):
a) Your side torso (without armor) is hit with AC-20 round that does 20 points of damage and crits your HGR.
So the maths is 42 (pristine structure) - 20 (AC-20 damage applied to structure) - 25 (HGR internal explosion) = -3
You have lost all you side torso structure, the entire side torso AND the attached arm.
b ) Your side torso (without armor) is hit with AC-2 round that does 2 points of damage and crits your HGR.
So the maths is 42 (pristine structure) - 2 (AC-2 damage applied to structure) - 25 (HGR internal explosion) = +15
You still have 15 points of your side torso structure, the entire side torso AND the attached arm.
EDIT.
This is how it "should" work, but with MWO you can never be sure.
Edited by martian, 20 March 2020 - 06:05 AM.
#5
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:04 AM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:
I was thinking that my Bounty Hunter could benefit from having a CASE beneath the HGR but I heard Betty complaining about the weapon explosion and then it ripped my ST off.
Yeah it's a bit of a waste, I imagine it might be more useful with TT rules.
#6
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:08 AM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:
I was thinking that my Bounty Hunter could benefit from having a CASE beneath the HGR but I heard Betty complaining about the weapon explosion and then it ripped my ST off.
CASE is pretty much a must in heavy cheese builds since they fit only in torsi. You have lost only one torso and an arm, but you could have easily been blasted all the way to main menu. I figure your MAD did not have much weaponry left in that case, but if it was a Fafnir, Mauler or Sleipnir with double heavy cheese, you would still stay combat capable.
#7
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:13 AM
#8
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:16 AM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 06:13 AM, said:
What you would need is CASE II.
Unfortunately, it is not implemented in MWO and probably it never will be.
#9
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:22 AM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:
I was thinking that my Bounty Hunter could benefit from having a CASE beneath the HGR but I heard Betty complaining about the weapon explosion and then it ripped my ST off.
It has a few niche uses, depending on your build half a 'mech is still better than no 'mech. Heavy Gauss Hunchie and such.
#10
Posted 20 March 2020 - 06:33 AM
#11
Posted 20 March 2020 - 07:55 AM
#12
Posted 20 March 2020 - 10:40 AM
#13
Posted 20 March 2020 - 11:01 AM
might be useful. even there, it's questionable at best.
IMO, it's best used when -not- used.
on the BountyHunter, I'd rather go for a AMS or TC instead, if you got everything else where you want it.
(have to look it up, but I think mine runs 6ML, HGR and TC, and a flamer for LOLs).
a fun ride in QP, can't really take it to FW, though.
Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 20 March 2020 - 11:02 AM.
#14
Posted 20 March 2020 - 12:04 PM
AncientRaig, on 20 March 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:
I agree with the first part of your post.
AncientRaig, on 20 March 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:
Personally I use C.A.S.E. on one or two of my 'Mechs - on Orion, for example. My typical Orion builds need a lot of ammo. After succumbing to ammo explosions a few times, I decided to use C.A.S.E. in combination with standard engine. Now it is much better: I can lose the right torso with Autocannon, but fight with missiles and lasers, or I can lose the left torso with missiles and fight with Autocannon and lasers.
I prefer keeping 2/3 of my 'Mech alive and kicking before being dead.
Even with a damaged 'Mech I can still fight, spot, launch UAV or use Artillery Strike.
Some people might disagree with my design choice, but I am okay with it.
#15
Posted 20 March 2020 - 12:26 PM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 06:13 AM, said:
Its a waste on your Marauder because 'whatcha gonna do with those 4 medium lasers' when you lose that HGR torso. However, on a mech like a Fafnir/Annihilator, not taking damage into the CT when your side goes pop might be crucial. Because even half an Annihilator is about as much firepower as your entire Marauder.
Case is for the most part indeed a waste, because for starters it does nothing for LFE/XL builds and those are a vast majority. Downgrading to a STD engine for the sake of more survivability with Case is also pointless as any potential benefit is far outweighted by losses of speed/firepower/cooling. But it does have its uses on a STD engine dedicated builds, mostly HGR mechs or some sort of Stealth Gauss shenenegans.
Edited by PhoenixFire55, 20 March 2020 - 12:27 PM.
#17
Posted 20 March 2020 - 07:10 PM
#18
Posted 20 March 2020 - 07:14 PM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 07:10 PM, said:
Im on my phone but i think i can give you a build that's a little better if you want to experiment. I have a similar marauder
Give me an hour or two, I'll be home from work
Edited by DrtyDshSoap, 20 March 2020 - 07:14 PM.
#19
Posted 20 March 2020 - 07:16 PM
#20
Posted 20 March 2020 - 07:47 PM
FRAGTAST1C, on 20 March 2020 - 05:46 AM, said:
I was thinking that my Bounty Hunter could benefit from having a CASE beneath the HGR but I heard Betty complaining about the weapon explosion and then it ripped my ST off.
It is a waste in EVERY situation.
NEVER use CASE.
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