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[Arugela]

https://mwo.smurfy-n...42359e62dee59ea

Would this be able to manage the heat. I'm not familiar with rotary or IS stuff. There is quite a bit of heat reduction, but I'm not sure how it works in practice and I don't own the mech atm. Don't really own any is actually.

I think the arms can be brought to 10 second of fire time with skills. It's a little under 5 seconds fire time with all guns blazing on alpha. A little over 8 seconds if chain firing the lasers.

Has anyone used this build? I'm guessing it has decent damage if concentrating sufficiently.

https://mwo.smurfy-n...296245e63c11f84

This version assumes magazine capacity +2 and adds a TC2 for crit etc.

Edited by Arugela, 24 April 2020 - 07:56 PM.

[Horseman]

Those "builds" are a dumpster fire. Do not bother trying to use them, you'll save yourself a lot of pain.
If you want the optimum builds, refer to Grimmechs: https://grimmechs.is...ihilator#ANH-1P
if that doesn't suit you, take 4xUAC5 and 4xML . Not optimal but it will work.

Edited by Horseman, 26 April 2020 - 01:42 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Oh dear what kinda Anni build is that???????? RAC5/LBX2? Talk about worst, that's beyond. Nothing short or absolute garbage. 13 DHS is not anywhere near enough to cool that build.


The Anni-1P is great at 5x ERL or 4x ERPPC because of the fact the lasers are all moderately high mounted.

If you want to run DAKKA on a Anni, other variants are far better.

[Arugela]

It's based on the fire time to take down a single assault mech. If you are moving around while firing it doesn't matter. And the damage is in the arms to fire while mitigating damage. And the chest if a quick fire weapon to get shots in as fast as possible.

This is a different type of mech that is played commonly. Especially in quick play. You just aren't familiar with it.

I'd appreciate if you would stop insulting people too.

You realize there is a plague going on and people are trapped inside don't you. This sort of behavior is bad enough normally and then you keep insulting someone for something that doesn't fit your standards. If there is something wrong with it just say what it is or don't comment. You have no business insulting everything you don't agree with. Act like an adult. You don't seem to understand that your constant inability to put things into words besides insults is your lack of ability to think it out and simply say something about what you are trying to express.

This is why people aren't coming back to this game normally also. You would think this would be important to people.

The only thing wrong with the build is if I missed that it doesn't have lower arm actuators and can't move the arms to the side.

The point of the build was that you could fit the extra lbx 2 for some extra crit in a single press setup in the arms and fire to the sides. It has relative rapid fire to add dps to the RAC/5 and be able to shoot to the side while not looking at stuff and tanking. But I guess it won't fit unless there is a mech with no upper arm actuator but a lower arm actuator to get the 10 slots needed. The build was assuming closer range to go with the RACs/medium lasers and trying to core mechs via crotch or face shots. Or shearing off sides when they stood still enough.

On that note. Are there any mechs with lower arm actuators but no upper arm? IE, 10 or more slot arms with lower arm actuators.

Technically, you could tank and wait for them to fire then return fire during their cd times. But It would not be as effective as I imagined if it had arm actuators to fire sideways.

Edited by Arugela, 28 April 2020 - 08:58 AM.

[Horseman]

Arugela, on 28 April 2020 - 07:10 AM, said:

And the damage is in the arms to fire while mitigating damage.

You're forgetting weapon convergence. Which in your build is going to be rather bad due to ANH's hardpoints,

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This is a different type of mech that is played commonly. Especially in quick play. You just aren't familiar with it.

Dude, get off that high horse. You have, by your own admission, returned to the game two weeks ago after some three years of absence. Since that time, you have played less than ten QP matches.
Myself and Ash are both regular players with considerably more relevant experience to determine what is commonly played and what is practical in the game's current state.

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I'd appreciate if you would stop insulting people.

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This sort of behavior is bad enough normally and then you keep insulting someone for something that doesn't fit your standards.

No insults were made, you're ascribing subtext that doesn't exist.
We were discussing the merits of the builds, not of you or whoever was their author.
If we were discussing them in the context of regularly playing author, we'd either dismiss them as troll builds or results of poor understanding of the game.

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You realize there is a plague going on and people are trapped inside don't you.

So are we. It's irrelevant.

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If there is something wrong with it just say what it is or don't comment.

We told you. These builds are not salvageable.

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You have no business insulting everything you don't agree with.

You have no business claiming offense at something that was not addressed at you personally. We are not here to fight you. You're welcome to take our input on face value or disregard it and play builds that will put your team one mech down from the start - it's entirely your choice.

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The only thing wrong with the build

There are multiple things wrong with it, such as using TC with LBXes, putting LAMS on an already hot build or using ERMLs with the same.

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it doesn't have lower arm actuators and can't move the arms to the side. Still not sure if that is how it works.

That is correct.

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The point of the build was that you could fit the extra lbx 2 for some extra crit in a single press setup in the arms and fire to the sides. It has relative rapid fire to add dps to the RAC/5 and be able to shoot to the side while not looking at stuff and tanking. But I guess it won't fit unless there is a mech with no upper arm actuator but a lower arm actuator to get the 10 slots needed. The build was assuming closer range to go with the RACs/medium lasers and trying to core mechs via crotch or face shots. Or shearing off sides when they stood still enough.

It sounds like you are actually looking for a different chassis and build - the 3xRAC2+3xAC2 build on the ANH-2A.

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On that note. Are there any mechs with lower arm actuators but no upper arm? IE, 10 or more slot arms with lower arm actuators.

No. Upper arm actuators are mandatory.

[Arugela]

https://mwo.smurfy-n...93abb4e1f4a8164

This is probably more what I was looking for. But it's a longer ranged version.

Ideally it would be a Rac/5 version with closer range and more burst in the chest. Possibly a Uac/20. Assuming it can be done well.

The only other thing I can think of is to stick stuff in the arms to break the armor then gut it out with the rack. That goes with the lower range or rac/5s. That would fit on and atlas with single or double racs. But not from the arms.

Oh, well. My dream annie build was uac's in the arms with arm weapons and chest burst... Can't figure one out besides the above RAC/2 build.

They should change it so you can fire RAC/5 and RAC/2 together. An annie build with rac/5+rac/2 in each arm would be cool. Maybe a special annie with quirks.

Maybe if they changed it so rac pentalties take the higher rank instead of the lower rank. Then you could fire those at 11 per second instead of 27. Or something similar.

Edited by Arugela, 28 April 2020 - 12:05 PM.

[Ignatius Audene]

I give up. Otherwise he might start an assault guide or offers personal training to next emp comp group.

[Horseman]

Arugela, on 28 April 2020 - 10:57 AM, said:

https://mwo.smurfy-n...93abb4e1f4a8164This is probably more what I was looking for. But it's a longer ranged version.

"Longer ranged" would be Gauss+ERLL and wouldn't have the same DPS.
The LBXes are not favorable over AC2s - all LBXes spread their fire, AC2s don't.
IS XL is a glaring vulnerability, ANHs tend to lose sides often.

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Oh, well. My dream annie build was uac's in the arms with arm weapons and chest burst... Can't figure one out besides the above RAC/2 build.

Then you're looking for either one of the Mad Cat Mk IIs or a King Crab, not an ANH.

[CFC Conky]

Build it, play it, let us know how it went.

[Horseman]

CFC Conky, on 29 April 2020 - 08:54 AM, said:

Build it, play it, let us know how it went.

But don't say we haven't warned you.

[Arugela]

Here is a short ranged version of the build idea: https://mwo.smurfy-n...df62eb0acfd81cb / https://mwo.smurfy-n...c5193470d865175

Probably needs more ammo. But this is the general idea. It's trying to be a can opener.

Edited by Arugela, 01 May 2020 - 08:37 PM.

[Audacious Aubergine]

Arugela, on 01 May 2020 - 08:11 PM, said:

Here is a short ranged version of the build idea: https://mwo.smurfy-n...df62eb0acfd81cb

Probably need more ammo. But this is the general idea.

- An XL 200 is both too slow and too vulnerable (it's an IS XL so once you lose one side torso you die)
- single heatsinks - and only two of them - will not be enough to keep the mech cool beyond the first shot
- but that's ok because a single tonne of ammo shared between a pair of UAC10 won't last very long either

[Horseman]

Arugela, on 01 May 2020 - 08:11 PM, said:

Probably needs more ammo. But this is the general idea. It's trying to be a can opener.

And it won't do that because you're not heat efficient enough to actually use most of your weapons after your first salvo, not mobile enough to bring them to bear in the first place and not durable enough to survive getting halved (as it tends to happen to targets the size of the ANH).
One thing I'm noticing with your builds is a constant obsession with big numeric alphas... here's what five years of playing this game taught me: a fuckhuge alpha matters less than whether you can survive to deliver another and whether you can deliver the next one quickly enough to matter. Think more in terms of DPS than one-shot wonder.

Failing that, look into Gauss/HGauss + laser builds. A somewhat meme-ish build that can dump 90-point alphas every 6.5 seconds is this: https://mech.nav-alp...28a27_DWF-PRIME (but you need to max out heat dissipation and heat reduction to get that result) The alpha may be a bit smaller than what you've had in mind, but most of it is delivered to a single point within 1.2 seconds of you firing - you don't suffer the damage spread characteristic to RACs and UACs above UAC/5, nor do you have to worry about projectile flight times much (GR projectiles travel at 2 km/s, about twice as fast as RAC5 or UAC10 rounds).

If you want a serious close range can opener on an ANH, try the ANH-1X with 2xHGR and MLs to go with that (if you're extra greedy for damage, 2xHGR + 6xML + 1xLL/LPL but that comes at a cost of speed)

Edited by Horseman, 02 May 2020 - 02:07 AM.

[Ignatius Audene]

Ok. Troll approved. He didn't even break the 10 qp games mark since his comeback. Nice troll, u got me.
https://leaderboard....earch?u=Arugela

Edited by Ignatius Audene, 02 May 2020 - 02:42 AM.

[Audacious Aubergine]

I mean... a -2A build with an XL200 and single heat sinks?