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[Voodoomancer]

Hi all,

I'm currently running a Ryzen 2600 and 4GB Radeon RX 470. Monitoring CPU & GPU usage using the AMD overlay the CPU seems fine but I'm getting 100% GPU usage and the framerates ain't great. It looks like it's time for an upgrade ...

... so how do the Radeon 5700 and 5700 XT perform compared to the RX 470/480/580, and compared to the GeForce 2070 ranges? I'm currently playing at 1080p with lots of settings reduced to medium or low, and it's jerky as heck (see, 100% GPU usage). I have a tasty 4K screen so I'd really like to get at least 1080p high quality.

I've seen the 5700 as low as $273 lately and the 5700 XT at $330; the GeForce 2070 is still $399 so a bit out of my budget, unless the 5700 XT isn't going to get me 1080p at 60fps on high detail, which would be pretty shocking.

Thoughts? Recommendations?

[Edit]
Oh man, I left out the most important piece of information: I need to upgrade for MW5, not MWO. MWO runs well on my existing hardware, but MW5 definitely does not - I regularly see 100% usage and frame-rate drops .

Edited by Voodoomancer, 19 May 2020 - 11:35 AM.

[General Solo]

Mmm apparently according to google your current rig is ok for 1080 gaming.

Before you upgrade, try playing around with the video settings to increase your frame rates and reduce GPU utilization.

Some settings can really tank your frame rate and increase GPU and Video Ram Utilization.

For example Anti aliasing - Has a pretty big FPS impact and honestly I dont notice the jaggies much at all with it switched off. Turn it off and recheck your Frame Rates.

Next reduce Aniotropic Filtering to about 2 or 4, thats good enough texture quality and will reduce GPU load a bit more.

Last reduce your Texture Size settings checking your Frame rate, after each change you make.

What we are doing with these steps is identifying any bottleneck thats preventing your supposed OK@1080 setup from being OK@1080.

I checked your cards specs and it seem decent enough to run MWO @1080 with decent FPS provided you tweak the settings.

In my mind, and Im guessing, the reason you have low FPS is that you have the above listed settings turned way up.
Resulting in your video ram capacity being exceeded. Making your system paging data from main system RAM which is much slower than local video Ram (relatively speaking) and this tanks FPS.

TLDR

Switch off Anti aliasing and reduce Aniotropic Filtering to 2 and also reduce texture size to low and then recheck your frame rates. Maybe you dont need an upgrade.

[General Solo]

To add I ran MWO previously with a Nvidia GTX 970 which has similar specs to your current 4GB Radeon RX 470.
It ran MWO fine, once I reduced Anti aliasing and a few other tweaks

So I think your GPU should run MWO OK too, just have to play with the setting.

Also check the forum for Vlads config tweaks guide which I have found usefull.
https://mwomercs.com...rovement-tweak/

[Kotzi]

Just upgraded my PC with an 5700 XT. Bottomline, its almost as fast but cheaper then a 2070 although it should compete to the 2060. Paired with an Ryzen 5 3600 i got quite a boost. Havent played MWO but in Borderlands 3 i never dip under 75 fps on ultra settings. Just check some Benchmarks on Techsites and on youtube.

[FRAGTAST1C]

https://gpu.userbenc...0-XT/3923vs4045

Use that site to compare any PC component that you want.

Also, regarding your question, go with the RX 5700 XT. It's supports Ray Tracing and it is pretty good. I think its competition is the 2070 Super, which only marginally better but costs quite a bit more as well.

Edited by FRAGTAST1C, 08 April 2020 - 07:39 AM.

[JC Daxion]

Don't buy a new vid card now. Niviida's next gen cards out in the fall are going to be blowing away the current gen. You are far better off waiting for the lower budget cards of that gen than anything out now. Basically this current series is basically a more refined 1080, than anything. the 3080's are going to be a huge jump, which means the 200 dollar card range will be a very large improvement over today's lot.

[LordNothing]

yea i think i was less that impressed with my rtx2070 super. i had previously been running a 1060, and other than being able to play some games in 4k it really doesnt make things that much better. and the rtx hardware turns out to be bunk. theres just nothing out there that uses it. ive bought 2 games that were supposed to have ray tracing support as a main feature and it turns out its still not implemented in either.

im not sure where that radeon lines up, i haven't switched from blue/green to red yet. and probably wont any time soon (things might have switched again before this machine needs an upgrade).

sometimes sitting on your money waiting for the next big thing just means your money surplus gets eaten up by life and you can no longer afford to buy anything.

Edited by LordNothing, 12 May 2020 - 08:54 PM.

[Nesutizale]

While I also wait for the release of the next gen from Nvidia I think the prices will be again in a range that I have to wait another year before the prices fall to something reasonable.

After that mining boom the prices have gone totaly nuts. I paid half of the price for my current card when it was brand new and except for playing near 4k I can still play most of my games in 1080 and get a good result.

Seriously people need to stop buying stuff so overpriced so the prices go down but then I read comments in some news sections where people are okay with buying a card at 1000$.

[Edit]
Just saw that my card is now more expansive then when it was new? WTF

Edited by Nesutizale, 12 May 2020 - 11:43 PM.

[Nesutizale]

SomersetStriker, on 13 May 2020 - 04:48 AM, said:

There's almost always someone who will pay whatever the price. Some people can't help it, some don't care, some feel they need it to have fun.

For those people there should be an extra version. Its 1:1 the same then the half prized on but with LEDs and you tell them that the LEDs make it faster because they are red !

[LordNothing]

Nesutizale, on 12 May 2020 - 11:35 PM, said:

While I also wait for the release of the next gen from Nvidia I think the prices will be again in a range that I have to wait another year before the prices fall to something reasonable.

After that mining boom the prices have gone totaly nuts. I paid half of the price for my current card when it was brand new and except for playing near 4k I can still play most of my games in 1080 and get a good result.

Seriously people need to stop buying stuff so overpriced so the prices go down but then I read comments in some news sections where people are okay with buying a card at 1000$.

[Edit]
Just saw that my card is now more expansive then when it was new? WTF

much of the mining has gone to asics now. so i think that gpu mining might actually be behind us at this point. of course a lot of people are doing folding because of covid, so it might be because of that.

i totally regret dropping $500 on my card. moving forward one generation and up a tier, but at least it will be at least 4 or 5 years before i need to replace it. i used to build a new computer every 2 years, but i think im building for 5 now. i waited 4 cpu generations on my last one, going from a 4790k to an 8086k (the 8700k was out of stock, and it has a 4g base clock) and that upgrade was fairly marginal at best. maybe il go to a 5-6 generation interval in the future.

maybe i should start putting money into thermodynamic aspects of the builds. but even with air cooling i can stay well above 4ghz even when i dont get a lot of boost. im reluctant to go water cooling though and i do want to keep a small form factor build, get it down to around a 12l case (im at 15-16L with a heavily modded elite 110). the sandwich case (dan, n1, ghost, etc) concept is pretty good, placing the gpu behind the mobo with an pcie extension, and where you dont have to worry about an aio leaking on your gpu. but these cases are all > $200 because they all use machined parts rather than sheet metal. waiting on the low cost materials version of those.

Edited by LordNothing, 13 May 2020 - 07:19 PM.

[Nesutizale]

My last upgrade steps where IIRC
CPU 2008 - 2017 (no wonder my old CPU allways got a heart attack when I played )
GPU 2011 - 2014

If I would only play in 1080 I would even not be much concerned but playing 1080 on a 1440 screen is just....nooo.
Also the performance jump from my old 970 to a 2070s would roughly double the performance, in theorie.

Still dropping 500-600€ into a graphicard where the last one was ~200-250€ and its still playable, just have to lower the setting on some games. I just can't bring myself to justify that when I am rational.
Sure the gamer in me wants it, gimme all the bling and boom and FPS I can get ^_°

[Vellron2005]

I run MW5 on RTX2060S... runs like a dream..

[Voodoomancer]

OZHomerOZ, on 07 April 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

Mmm apparently according to google your current rig is ok for 1080 gaming.

Before you upgrade, try playing around with the video settings to increase your frame rates and reduce GPU utilization.

Some settings can really tank your frame rate and increase GPU and Video Ram Utilization.

For example Anti aliasing - Has a pretty big FPS impact and honestly I dont notice the jaggies much at all with it switched off. Turn it off and recheck your Frame Rates.

Next reduce Aniotropic Filtering to about 2 or 4, thats good enough texture quality and will reduce GPU load a bit more.

Last reduce your Texture Size settings checking your Frame rate, after each change you make.

What we are doing with these steps is identifying any bottleneck thats preventing your supposed OK@1080 setup from being OK@1080.

I checked your cards specs and it seem decent enough to run MWO @1080 with decent FPS provided you tweak the settings.

In my mind, and Im guessing, the reason you have low FPS is that you have the above listed settings turned way up.
Resulting in your video ram capacity being exceeded. Making your system paging data from main system RAM which is much slower than local video Ram (relatively speaking) and this tanks FPS.

TLDR

Switch off Anti aliasing and reduce Aniotropic Filtering to 2 and also reduce texture size to low and then recheck your frame rates. Maybe you dont need an upgrade.

.... I left out the most important detail, which is that i need the upgrade for Mechwarrior 5, not MWO.

I will try this kind of testing in MW5 though, repeating a mission multiple times with different settings.

[Mumuharra]

Voodoomancer, on 07 April 2020 - 07:15 PM, said:

Hi all,

I'm currently running a Ryzen 2600 and 4GB Radeon RX 470. Monitoring CPU & GPU usage using the AMD overlay the CPU seems fine but I'm getting 100% GPU usage and the framerates ain't great. It looks like it's time for an upgrade ...

... so how do the Radeon 5700 and 5700 XT perform compared to the RX 470/480/580, and compared to the GeForce 2070 ranges? I'm currently playing at 1080p with lots of settings reduced to medium or low, and it's jerky as heck (see, 100% GPU usage). I have a tasty 4K screen so I'd really like to get at least 1080p high quality.

I've seen the 5700 as low as $273 lately and the 5700 XT at $330; the GeForce 2070 is still $399 so a bit out of my budget, unless the 5700 XT isn't going to get me 1080p at 60fps on high detail, which would be pretty shocking.

Thoughts? Recommendations?

[Edit]
Oh man, I left out the most important piece of information: I need to upgrade for MW5, not MWO. MWO runs well on my existing hardware, but MW5 definitely does not - I regularly see 100% usage and frame-rate drops .

In my opinion your system is quit OK.
I run a 10 years old i750 with a AMD R290 4GB and it runs MW5 pretty good.
No lags or problems.
Skip post processing and reduce shadows and antialiasing.
MW5 is not very hardware demanding.

[LordNothing]

technopredator, on 09 June 2020 - 01:27 PM, said:

You can always shape it up for sale and with the money go red, up to you

considering the huge ordeal i had to go through just to get it to fit in my sff case, its staying in there until i build a new rig.

[LordNothing]

technopredator, on 11 June 2020 - 04:13 AM, said:

Anyway I'd recommend not to age with old computers for economy sake, if your budget is limited then for sure just, make the effort to make it presentable and sell old hardware, to just stay current without extra drag of maintaining old hardware that is getting priced lower, spare parts outdated and scarcer each day, so makes no sense to keep them unless you have a good reason to. AMD will always be cheaper and practically same performance

its an 8086k, i think im good for the foreseeable future. it won out ryzen because i didnt like my itx mobo options at the time, and i really wanted to see what the hype was about, but it didnt work out, i was going to do an 8700 but it was out of stock, so i just spent a few extra bucks rather than wait. some parts have life that exceed the core components. the case for example has contained at least 3 sets of guts since i got it and about 3 different video cards. my power supply was reused for 2 of them. its one of those corsair sfx 600w supplies, which has been nothing but solid since i got it. i also reuse fans and drives. currently running a pair of 1tb m.2 ssds, but they might get upgraded to higher capacity drives at some point.

i think there is still room for more case modding (i already did a number on it with my dremel and a flat file last time, cut in some new fan slots and cut away the unused drive mounts to increase airflow, throw in some 3d printed grills to make it look neat, if i need a drive cage i can probibly print one and place it in the space formerly occupied by a huge psu) in this thing, officially my elite 110 only supports a 120mm radiator, but i think i can get a 140 in there if i mod the front panel. im currently using an air cooler (cryorig c7 cu), but in a couple years i might do the mod with an aio and see how far i can push it. i usually give my old computers to family members, set up a server or scrap them for parts. i still got my second gen i5 build running as a media center pc.

Edited by LordNothing, 11 June 2020 - 04:16 PM.

[Nesutizale]

About the lifespan of SSDs. So far I have only seen it once that an SSD failed and had to be replaced but that one allready had problems right after installing it.

Whats your experiance with SSDs when you recommend to not use them that freakquently for stuff with lots of read and writeing?
Also don't games do a lot of reading and writing?

[General Solo]

Also if you have alot of RAM say 32 gigs , your OS wont need to page to SSD much.

Personally I have 32 GB of RAM, so I just reduced the max and min of the pagefile to a low amount
... like 20 MB

Also you can move the pagefile to a non SSD drive if your worried.

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 26 June 2020 - 12:16 PM.

[Tordin]

Im a laptop guy. And my kinda old graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050. Yeah, its a stubborn card that can handle the graphics of newer games, adequately well. Have to set it to medium settings most of the time and disable gpu hogging features. But thats it.

Tried it with MW5 when I had it on my laptop. And the graphics behaved just like chaos. Graphical pop ins while in mechbay and in- mission.

Especially the graphical layers of the mech models themself wouldnt STICK. So when I for example wanted to add a different pattern or gosh forbid, colours. It would be added and the second it did, I saw a GLIMPSE of what my graphic settings should really show how it would look...

But NOPE. The textures would quickly and sometimes gradually downgrade themself right in front of me and end up making the mechs look like they had smudged colours where the paaterns would be, so it reminded me of polished marble instead of armor and hint of the colours added.

Conclusion. Yes my gpu isnt the best, but MW5 is sure as heck not optimized well.
Glad for you who didnt have such annoying issues. Otherwise the game run very well on my ca 3 year old Asus laptop. Its just the graphical texture nonsense that wouldnt behave.

[Nesutizale]

There is an autoscaler or whatever it was called, in MW5. Have you tried to turn it off? I think that setting scales down stuff dynamicly when it detects heavy work load. Not sure if it also works for the textures...think it was resolution based but hey. Give it a try. Maybe it solves something.