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[The pessimistic optimist]

OZHomerOZ, on 07 October 2020 - 04:17 PM, said:

I was thinking about this and think its better to in fact split up your Lerm mechs, so if one gets rushed the other lerm mechs can cover.

If the targets narced all lerm mechs can hit it weather they are split up or grouped up

I tell people when learning to use LRM well most important tools your rangefinder and driving your mech backwards and doing it well. First thing I tell any new mech warrior's learn to drive your mech backwards and this helps a lot with LRMs driving backwards helps every weapon system but LRMs is were driving backwards becomes super useful the most. If you think someone is a little too close start the back up always keep eye on that range and start that back up. Also DUMB FIRE you don't have to wait for locks LRM will go right were they are aimed so AIM!!!!

[Willard Phule]

SirSmokes, on 07 October 2020 - 04:32 PM, said:

I tell people when learning to use LRM well most important tools your rangefinder and driving your mech backwards and doing it well. First thing I tell any new mech warrior's learn to drive your mech backwards and this helps a lot with LRMs driving backwards helps every weapon system but LRMs is were driving backwards becomes super useful the most. If you think someone is a little too close start the back up always keep eye on that range and start that back up. Also DUMB FIRE you don't have to wait for locks LRM will go right were they are aimed so AIM!!!!

They matter if terrain denial is important as well. Everyone has the "incoming missile" warning, all you have to do is fling them so they trip the proximity. Lock not required. When the other team has the tendency to back into itself once it runs into lurms, well....

[The pessimistic optimist]

Willard Phule, on 07 October 2020 - 04:58 PM, said:

They matter if terrain denial is important as well. Everyone has the "incoming missile" warning, all you have to do is fling them so they trip the proximity. Lock not required. When the other team has the tendency to back into itself once it runs into lurms, well....

Yup I see LRM as a terrain denial weapon you can't go here or else and if you are doing it right with spotter and narcs it works very well and you don't need insane number of missiles. Really just two good heavy LRM mechs could do the work if they have any good pilots

Edited by SirSmokes, 07 October 2020 - 05:19 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

SirSmokes, on 07 October 2020 - 05:16 PM, said:

Yup I see LRM as a terrain denial weapon you can't go here or else and if you are doing it right with spotter and narcs it works very well and you don't need insane number of missiles. Really just two good heavy LRM mechs could do the work if they have any good pilots

I'm honestly more denied by ACs, Lasers, PPCs, and Gauss that can molest me in horrible places. The idea of suppressive fire

Homing weapons, hell LRMs give ample time for me to consider the mistakes I made and go behind cover. I could see the point of sustained fire with IDF that pressures the enemy to do something, but IDF seems rather unfair if it's easy. I agree with mortar-like, where you can dumb-fire it on a certain area, but not when it's homing.

I think we can also make it so that only DF use provides homing missiles, but the IDF use without NARC-TAG means the LRMs will only have auto-lead.

[The pessimistic optimist]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 05:58 PM, said:

I'm honestly more denied by ACs, Lasers, PPCs, and Gauss that can molest me in horrible places. The idea of suppressive fire

Homing weapons, hell LRMs give ample time for me to consider the mistakes I made and go behind cover. I could see the point of sustained fire with IDF that pressures the enemy to do something, but IDF seems rather unfair if it's easy. I agree with mortar-like, where you can dumb-fire it on a certain area, but not when it's homing.

I think we can also make it so that only DF use provides homing missiles, but the IDF use without NARC-TAG means the LRMs will only have auto-lead.

Well here the thing good LRM pilot don't always use in direct fire all the time you are getting your own targets silly a lot of the time and don't always fire from lock a lot of time fire from aim

Edited by SirSmokes, 07 October 2020 - 06:31 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

SirSmokes, on 07 October 2020 - 06:25 PM, said:

Well here the thing good LRM pilot don't always use in direct fire all the time you are getting your own targets silly a lot of the time and don't always fire from lock a lot of time fire from aim

The effective self-sufficient ones get their own locks and use LRMs direct fire, it's decent but not the best.

[Brauer]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 03:36 PM, said:

Fair enough.

Although wouldn't an AC do it better? Or you needed the cockpit shake?

I'm not aware of any autocannon build that has the sustained DPS and speed of a WHM-IIC and a SNS each running LRM 80 and going 77 to 81 KPH.

[The pessimistic optimist]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 06:33 PM, said:

The effective self-sufficient ones get their own locks and use LRMs direct fire, it's decent but not the best.

Here the fun thing if the LRM guy are any good they will be on the same target and focusing fire LRM you can focus fire much better with LRMs then other weapons systems. Here to make it pretty clear how long you going to last with two of these on you? https://mwo.smurfy-n...7fa79548b25893d
What to take for IS https://mwo.smurfy-n...c56519ddf2cd2f6

Edited by SirSmokes, 07 October 2020 - 07:25 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

SirSmokes, on 07 October 2020 - 06:48 PM, said:

Here the fun thing if the LRM guy are any good they will be on the same target and focusing fire LRM you can focus fire much better with LRMs then other weapons systems. Here to make it pretty clear how long you going to last with two of these on you? https://mwo.smurfy-n...7fa79548b25893d
What to take for IS https://mwo.smurfy-n...c56519ddf2cd2f6

I'm more of 2x LRM20 + 6x ERML really, I like the lasers.

Brauer, on 07 October 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:

I'm not aware of any autocannon build that has the sustained DPS and speed of a WHM-IIC and a SNS each running LRM 80 and going 77 to 81 KPH.

Eh, that's fair. That being said, I'd still pick the one I can put square at a component though, but I see the less need for leading since it's aimed.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 07 October 2020 - 07:45 PM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 07:35 PM, said:

I'm more of 2x LRM20 + 6x ERML really, I like the lasers.



Eh, that's fair. That being said, I'd still pick the one I can put square at a component though, but I see the less need for leading since it's aimed.

I like that a lot it loses a little on the missile but it can brawl better with the er meds

[The6thMessenger]

SirSmokes, on 07 October 2020 - 07:47 PM, said:

I like that a lot it loses a little on the missile but it can brawl better with the er meds

I honestly wouldn't brawl with it. It's VERY HOT, while clan ERML has a lot of exposure time, and at the same time Tibbers aren't as spry as it used to, and that specific build has torso-weapons without arm actuator to help with convergence but has poorer target tracking.

**** is just for mid-range.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 07 October 2020 - 07:56 PM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 07:55 PM, said:

I honestly wouldn't brawl with it. It's VERY HOT, while clan ERML has a lot of exposure time, and at the same time Tibbers aren't as spry as it used to, and that specific build has torso-weapons without arm actuator to help with convergence but has poorer target tracking.

**** is just for mid-range.

Chain the 20s so you can single fire so you have more heat control

[The6thMessenger]

SirSmokes, on 07 October 2020 - 08:03 PM, said:

Chain the 20s so you can single fire so you have more heat control

Well yeah, but the thing is that you reduce the chance for LRMs to not hit, likewise go through AMS arrays better.

That being said, the Lasers alone goes rather hot.

[The pessimistic optimist]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 08:05 PM, said:

Well yeah, but the thing is that you reduce the chance for LRMs to not hit, likewise go through AMS arrays better.

That being said, the Lasers alone goes rather hot.

Yea that why yea don't brawl it like a laser mech or AC mech or SRM mech or ATM mech that build can also peek fire super good

Edited by SirSmokes, 10 October 2020 - 03:32 AM.

[Brauer]

The6thMessenger, on 07 October 2020 - 07:35 PM, said:

Eh, that's fair. That being said, I'd still pick the one I can put square at a component though, but I see the less need for leading since it's aimed.

You wouldn't if you wanted to run the strat that we did in the Grand Finals.

Edited by Brauer, 07 October 2020 - 08:31 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Brauer, on 07 October 2020 - 08:31 PM, said:

You wouldn't if you wanted to run the strat that we did in the Grand Finals.

Sure I guess. But again, I could see the use of homing weapons if you didn't want to bother with the proper aiming with something large like Alpine Peaks, where there's quite a travel time with projectiles due to distance.