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Posted 15 October 2020 - 05:04 PM

View PostHydraden, on 15 October 2020 - 11:18 AM, said:

Please remove the skill tree and go back to the old skills model.

After awhile, you get used to the skill tree and actually appreciate how much it allows you to further customize the way a mech performs beyond it's built-in quirks. What exactly don't you like about it?

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 15 October 2020 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2020 - 05:33 PM

View PostDAEDALOS513, on 15 October 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

After awhile, you get used to the skill tree and actually appreciate how much it allows you to further customize the way a mech performs beyond it's built-in quirks.


I love it. It's a mess, but it makes it like pseudo-quirks.

Ammo/Ton skills are useful especially to the lights.

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Posted 15 October 2020 - 09:07 PM

I hate the friggin' tech and skill trees in this game. I didn't like the old way of doing skills, either. I've been a role-player for thirty-four years, now, and I've been running my own games since I was 29... I can figure out something that will actually work, with few changes to the existing game, sans skill malarkey already taking place.

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Posted 15 October 2020 - 09:13 PM

cant you make it so at least we get paid for waiting for faction, we should get paid for multiple hamster reels.

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 05:20 AM

View Postblackbullitt, on 15 October 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

cant you make it so at least we get paid for waiting for faction, we should get paid for multiple hamster reels.
Why would you think you're entitled to anything like that? You know how you can get paid? Help make this game what it should have been in the first place, not the garbage it's been since 2012, but what PGI said they wanted to do in the first place, the reason nearly all of us put money into this game in 2011.

You know who SHOULD get paid? All of us who supported a game we NEVER SAW!!!

You know what I would be satisfied with? If Russ, and the members of his team who said they wanted to do the game I wanted to play and it never happened, were TRULY remorseful, CONTINUALLY remorseful, and actually built THAT game. That would be satisfying.

Then, do you know HOW YOU WOULD GET PAID? By inviting friends and family to a game you're proud to play, a game that DOES NOT make a mockery of BattleTech but supports and works from that lore and all of the wonderful tools built for the sake of unit and resource management, a game you're not ASHAMED of sharing with other people, because THEN you would have so many people in the queue that you would NEVER wont for a game/match.

Still, you feel entitled to be paid, whether through C-Bills, MC, or cash -you didn't specify- because you're waiting for a match?! Give me a break. Hang on, I'll go get your participation trophy.

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 07:32 AM

earn easy money?
Let the faction camouflages collect points in every game mode

(a mech with the faction livery, e.g. Steiner, collects points for Steiner in every game mode, so you then have a chance to reach the upper ranks, since FP is almost dead)

So you also have a reason to buy the camouflages of the factions.

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Edited by BS 1893 CH, 16 October 2020 - 07:33 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2020 - 07:35 AM

View PostBS 1893 CH, on 16 October 2020 - 07:32 AM, said:

earn easy money?
Let the faction camouflages collect points in every game mode

(a mech with the faction livery, e.g. Steiner, collects points for Steiner in every game mode, so you then have a chance to reach the upper ranks, since FP is almost dead)

So you also have a reason to buy the camouflages of the factions.

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Seeing everyone in the same camos will get boring fast.. part of the charm or uniqueness of this game is that you can personalize each of your mechs.. instead it should be a cockpit item that you place.. make it affordable enough that you can buy for many mechs.. like 50-100mc.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 16 October 2020 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2020 - 08:13 AM

well, an idea too ...

or when buying any camouflage you can simply choose which faction you want to collect points for.

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 09:01 AM

View PostBS 1893 CH, on 16 October 2020 - 08:13 AM, said:

well, an idea too ...

or when buying any camouflage you can simply choose which faction you want to collect points for.

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.. even better.. make these faction point boosters rewards for events.. this game definitely needs a greater variety of event prizes. Better yet, make them tiered so you can level them up.. something I’ve noticed in other games... they use a wide variety of prizes to keep people playing....

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 16 October 2020 - 09:03 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2020 - 09:37 AM

View PostThreat Doc, on 16 October 2020 - 05:20 AM, said:

Why would you think you're entitled to anything like that? You know how you can get paid? Help make this game what it should have been in the first place, not the garbage it's been since 2012, but what PGI said they wanted to do in the first place, the reason nearly all of us put money into this game in 2011.

You know who SHOULD get paid? All of us who supported a game we NEVER SAW!!!

You know what I would be satisfied with? If Russ, and the members of his team who said they wanted to do the game I wanted to play and it never happened, were TRULY remorseful, CONTINUALLY remorseful, and actually built THAT game. That would be satisfying.

Then, do you know HOW YOU WOULD GET PAID? By inviting friends and family to a game you're proud to play, a game that DOES NOT make a mockery of BattleTech but supports and works from that lore and all of the wonderful tools built for the sake of unit and resource management, a game you're not ASHAMED of sharing with other people, because THEN you would have so many people in the queue that you would NEVER wont for a game/match.

Still, you feel entitled to be paid, whether through C-Bills, MC, or cash -you didn't specify- because you're waiting for a match?! Give me a break. Hang on, I'll go get your participation trophy.


Calm down Doc, and heal thyself...!

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 10:09 AM

View PostLith Dael, on 16 October 2020 - 09:37 AM, said:

Calm down Doc, and heal thyself...!
LOL. True.

However, some folks need to be educated and it's a very serious thing to do.

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 02:49 PM

I would love to see new Hero or Champion mechs. For example, Grayson Death Carlyle's MAD-3R Marauder, or his Victor. Davis McCall's Rifleman or Highlander. Natasha Kerensky's Dire Wolf. Mauve Wolf's Thunderbolt. There are so many character's in the novels that deserve a place in the game.

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 03:00 PM

View PostThreat Doc, on 16 October 2020 - 05:20 AM, said:

Why would you think you're entitled to anything like that? You know how you can get paid? Help make this game what it should have been in the first place, not the garbage it's been since 2012, but what PGI said they wanted to do in the first place, the reason nearly all of us put money into this game in 2011.

You know who SHOULD get paid? All of us who supported a game we NEVER SAW!!!

You know what I would be satisfied with? If Russ, and the members of his team who said they wanted to do the game I wanted to play and it never happened, were TRULY remorseful, CONTINUALLY remorseful, and actually built THAT game. That would be satisfying.

Then, do you know HOW YOU WOULD GET PAID? By inviting friends and family to a game you're proud to play, a game that DOES NOT make a mockery of BattleTech but supports and works from that lore and all of the wonderful tools built for the sake of unit and resource management, a game you're not ASHAMED of sharing with other people, because THEN you would have so many people in the queue that you would NEVER wont for a game/match.

Still, you feel entitled to be paid, whether through C-Bills, MC, or cash -you didn't specify- because you're waiting for a match?! Give me a break. Hang on, I'll go get your participation trophy.

You don't remember ghost drop rewards? They should bring those back actually..

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 03:32 PM

View PostLance McRaven, on 16 October 2020 - 02:49 PM, said:

I would love to see new Hero or Champion mechs. For example, Grayson Death Carlyle's MAD-3R Marauder, or his Victor. Davis McCall's Rifleman or Highlander. Natasha Kerensky's Dire Wolf. Mauve Wolf's Thunderbolt. There are so many character's in the novels that deserve a place in the game.


Only trouble with some of these are where they cross tech trees (Mauve Wolf's Thunderbolt very likely had Clan tech weapons on it). That said, any time the Clans are on the defensive, they're much more likely to have had Annihilators, and the attacking Inner Sphere forces most certainly had none, unless they hired Wolf's Dragoons to come along...

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 02:45 AM

Unsure if this is the right spot to place this stuff into (since the discussion seems to have shifted into tons of subthreads etc. which is not a good thing to compress / keep an overview regarding the feedback of what quality it may be anyhow).
A lot of game modes feel like „Killing the opposition and care about objectives afterwards“ (if at all). While I understand that the general mech combat is the central source of joy MWO provides, making a lot / most of the game modes feel like some sort of skirmish makes the gameplay experience feel somewhat „interchangeable“.

While I am kinda unsure, if such ideas are on the table anyhow and the following proposals are most likely flawed in terms of their applicabilty, may be some of the more experienced / tech-savy community members are able to think these „work in progress ideas“ through and properly refine them to some sort or – in case they are not viable at all – dismiss them totally if these thoughts ain’t viable at all.

Main focus should be on a more diverse gameplay experience in between game modes without sacrificing the central element of mech combat and too much work on the coding-side.
  • Protect the Prototype / protect the MobileHQ
    Rebrand the former VIP-mode into a „Protect the Prototype“ or „Protect the MobileHQ“ kinda mission, in which a random player controls a heavily armored but very close range or very lackluster (high risk, high reward gameplay) weaponized version of a mech (with global ECM) that needs to get into an extraction zone / or an installation alive.

    Ye could even implement this Prototype to be a version of a soon to be released chassis / hero mech for a limited timeframe (like 1 week pre-release). Else make it some sort of a slow but heavily armored MobileHQ (movement and minor weapons controlled via a gun-turret somewhat similar to a mech-turret, so no insane amounts of coding are required).

    If I recall correctly former VIP mode had maps being dotted with minor turrets and capturable ECM-nodes all over the place. Those generally have not been much more than a nuisance for most mechs though. How about replacing them with some sort of more heavily guarded and defendable intel-points kinda denying certain areas of the map by firepower and damage taken if you just pass it. Conquering the first provides 1 true and 4 false positions of the VIP on the minimap, second provides 1 true and 2 false and last provides the true position). The more of these intel points you take, the more power the Prototype / MobileHQ has to redirect into his ECM-module and therefore it is slowed down (use some leg-modificators here).
Could this or some sort of modification turn out to be a fun and – in terms of ressources needed – realistic game play option? Some folks on the Comp-Discord (join the discussion there too please) implied ye could have such a mode implemented with some sort of bomb a certain player can carry.

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 05:48 AM

The reason the VIP mode was so annoying was that even the defending team HAD NO IDEA WHERE THE VIP WAS GOING. I mean, like... that's the one thing they absolutely needed to plan a strategy and they didn't have it.

Retooling the mode slightly to make the VIP a mobile capture objective for the attackers might help.

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 06:41 AM

So my dream for the VIP mode was to implement the MW3 Mobile Field Base at 100% functionality. It would either follow a pre-programmed random path, a la the previous VIP, or, if someone assumed Company Command, they could direct it in the same manner as the MW3 MFB: cycling through a series of pre-set waypoints on the battlegrid where the MFB would move to and set up for repairs. Thus, the CC could change the path of the MFB at will, would know where the destination is, and could provide repairs to teammates during the match.

The balance to this, and the strategy, is that the movement speed and repair time of the MFB should be such that there is not time to repair more than 6 'mechs before you miss the extraction window, so you have to ration the repairs. Conversely, you could attempt to make a mad dash to the extraction zone and get the MFB out early, or could take a super long route away from the enemy team to keep the MFB safe.

Unfortunately, placing any kind of destination structure on the map will highlight the destination to the enemy team, and they'll merely need to camp outside it.

The attackers objective, as always, is simply to destroy the MFB's, and the MFB's should not be some super-tanky, impossible-to-kill behemoth like the original VIP Atlas was. That way, you either keep on the move to stay safe, or you stop for repairs and hope the MFB doesn't take too much damage.

Oh, and there shouldn't be any fixed emplacements on the battlefield. The ability to repair is advantage enough for the defending team.

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 11:42 AM

More maps please

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 04:53 PM

View PostAnAnachronismAlive, on 17 October 2020 - 02:45 AM, said:

Unsure if this is the right spot to place this stuff into (since the discussion seems to have shifted into tons of subthreads etc. which is not a good thing to compress / keep an overview regarding the feedback of what quality it may be anyhow).
A lot of game modes feel like „Killing the opposition and care about objectives afterwards“ (if at all). While I understand that the general mech combat is the central source of joy MWO provides, making a lot / most of the game modes feel like some sort of skirmish makes the gameplay experience feel somewhat „interchangeable“.

While I am kinda unsure, if such ideas are on the table anyhow and the following proposals are most likely flawed in terms of their applicabilty, may be some of the more experienced / tech-savy community members are able to think these „work in progress ideas“ through and properly refine them to some sort or – in case they are not viable at all – dismiss them totally if these thoughts ain’t viable at all.

Main focus should be on a more diverse gameplay experience in between game modes without sacrificing the central element of mech combat and too much work on the coding-side.
  • Protect the Prototype / protect the MobileHQ








    Rebrand the former VIP-mode into a „Protect the Prototype“ or „Protect the MobileHQ“ kinda mission, in which a random player controls a heavily armored but very close range or very lackluster (high risk, high reward gameplay) weaponized version of a mech (with global ECM) that needs to get into an extraction zone / or an installation alive.

    Ye could even implement this Prototype to be a version of a soon to be released chassis / hero mech for a limited timeframe (like 1 week pre-release). Else make it some sort of a slow but heavily armored MobileHQ (movement and minor weapons controlled via a gun-turret somewhat similar to a mech-turret, so no insane amounts of coding are required).

    If I recall correctly former VIP mode had maps being dotted with minor turrets and capturable ECM-nodes all over the place. Those generally have not been much more than a nuisance for most mechs though. How about replacing them with some sort of more heavily guarded and defendable intel-points kinda denying certain areas of the map by firepower and damage taken if you just pass it. Conquering the first provides 1 true and 4 false positions of the VIP on the minimap, second provides 1 true and 2 false and last provides the true position). The more of these intel points you take, the more power the Prototype / MobileHQ has to redirect into his ECM-module and therefore it is slowed down (use some leg-modificators here).
Could this or some sort of modification turn out to be a fun and – in terms of ressources needed – realistic game play option? Some folks on the Comp-Discord (join the discussion there too please) implied ye could have such a mode implemented with some sort of bomb a certain player can carry.









I like your ideas, very creative.. I always liked the original VIP mode.. the only thing that made it bad was the players that didn't know how use the mini-map and defend the VIP.. and predictably so, they would whine and blame the game mode for the loss.. I don't care if the vip is drunk and running around in circles.. use the map and defend it. Now that there is a map/mode voting system they should bring it back. The best part was fighting in parts of a map you rarely fought in before..

PS. if they could combine your idea where one live pilot controls the VIP to get to tha choppa.. or destination.. that would be awesome.

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 17 October 2020 - 04:58 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2020 - 08:37 PM

Here's a look for various types of missions based on game-play through the past. Note that I have NOT played MW5 as I can't afford a rig that will allow me to run it, just now.

http://www.wolvesau.net/CMTC3.pdf

All participants in this conversation are welcome to enjoy this.





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