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[East Indy]

I gave it chance and even now, I deal with it as a perma-solo.

But as players have organized since the introduction, more full groups have been dropping during primetime hours, and a fair number are supergroups of talented players. With the matchmaker incapable of distinguishing one from the other, I've been seeing one-sided victories a lot more often.

Mind you, I'm on the winning side 50/50. But that doesn't matter much when the match seems decided ahead of time and you go through the motions, trying to farm as much as you can.

"Bring a buddy" is good. A single 2-man on each team is probably fine, as many of us have said for years. Even better if they can br PSR balanced. And 4-mans really could use a workable venue. But I don't think Mixed Queue is the right place.

[Nightbird]

Let's see what's on the short list tomorrow. My expectation is nothing so there is a mild chance of being pleasantly surprised.

[crazytimes]

There are 4 manners who have an almost 100% win rate... and there are 4 manners who have close to the opposite. If I keep running into either, that's usually a sign I should log off and play something else.

That said, I dont have to wait long for a match and except for those outlier groups, I dont feel things are too bad. The population is that low compressing queue types makes sense.

[Bud Crue]

It all comes down to the question:

Do GOOD groups have a disproportionate negative impact on the queue (that PGI can discern with their super secret internal data)? That is to say, If good groups are consistently dominating the soup queue and driving new players away, or otherwise acting as a barrier to most players enjoyment, and PGI can recognize that, then something needs to be done about it. But as much as I hate the soup queue and think we ought to have a solo queue and an 8v8 group queue with solo player opt in rather than the soup queue, I honestly don't think GOOD groups are a problem and I doubt PGI sees them as such.

I know that there are an awful lot of us who happen to play this game with friends (i.e. playing in groups) who are not very good at the game or are at best mediocre at it. MWO has for many of us has always been first an foremost a social activity, wherein the actual game, let alone trying to be good at that game, is at best a secondary concern. These are the kinds of folks that would have no more impact on a match as a four man, an eight man or even a 12 man, as then would as solos. Perhaps even having less impact as a group because they have a tendency to feel obligated to play a traditional role within that group that is perhaps not the most optimal one. These groups are at least as prevalent as the truly good groups and I doubt very much that PGI can tell the difference (see match maker).

Anyway. I suspect soup queue is here to stay.

[Monkey Lover]

Ya "super groups" are hard to beat thats for sure. We have killed them a few times but 1 out 10 is about the best our group can do. Almost everyone in my groups is counted as tier 1 but really there is "tier1" and then there is the 99.x% players

What really sucks as a team player you fight them over and over again because the population in the hundreds of players.

Bud Crue, on 08 November 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

But as much as I hate the soup queue and think we ought to have a solo queue and an 8v8 group queue with solo player opt in rather than the soup queue, I honestly don't think GOOD groups are a problem and I doubt PGI sees them as such.

There wasn't population even for 8v8 towards the end of the test. I would love to see groupq back in any form but its just not going to work.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 08 November 2020 - 02:45 PM.

[Willard Phule]

Lockheed_, on 08 November 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

Besides the groups that are very powerful, there are also groups who seem to have little clue as to what their limtiations are as a group.
I have seen many times, groups split off from the team and go to some very weird locations and without creating any impact. their move was basically a thrown match.
I even had one incident a couple of weeks ago where a group of 4 went on to some very far out flanking maneuver on canyon network and would not communicate with the team at all. when they finally made it into combat the battle was already over, our team had been steam rolled and the group of 4 all died within 30 seconds as soon as the 11 remaining enemy players turned their attention towards them.
before the PSR reset I had little complaints about group queue but since the reset and groups becoming more organized a group of four can really decide the match before it even started. That's no fun. I am all for reducing the group size to 2, or using PSR and especially PSR per weight class.

What's even better are the supergroup players that still stop and back up when they receive fire, but instead of another part of their team hitting them and drawing fire, all they get is the nascar as everyone tries to get away from the people in front of them that are backing up.

[Stonefalcon]

East Indy, on 08 November 2020 - 12:10 PM, said:

I gave it chance and even now, I deal with it as a perma-solo.

But as players have organized since the introduction, more full groups have been dropping during primetime hours, and a fair number are supergroups of talented players. With the matchmaker incapable of distinguishing one from the other, I've been seeing one-sided victories a lot more often.

Mind you, I'm on the winning side 50/50. But that doesn't matter much when the match seems decided ahead of time and you go through the motions, trying to farm as much as you can.

"Bring a buddy" is good. A single 2-man on each team is probably fine, as many of us have said for years. Even better if they can br PSR balanced. And 4-mans really could use a workable venue. But I don't think Mixed Queue is the right place.

8v8 group queue was an interesting experiment, then they discarded the data and opted for this soup crap.

[R0gal D0rn]

They have to choose. There is no way to keep a new player in this game if their first matches they are relentlessly trown by the wolves. Solo queue gives both teams far more probabilites to be somehow balanced. Teamplay must not be the privilege of the groups, in detriment of the solo players, left as cannonfodder or pigeons to be farmed.
As some said before, 99 per cent of the time i can reliably predict the result of a match before the start. That ruins everyone´s fun-


No matter how little becomes the population, no one must have in advance the tools to determine the result of a match, and in any case cadets can be mixed with aces.

There is a perfect place to play with friends: Faction.

QP must be solo and Faction stay in his actual shape.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

The issue of new players get curb stomped by groups of good players is not an issue with the soup, its an issue of new players being placed in T3 and therefore fair game for the MM to throw against T1 pilots.

[Willard Phule]

justcallme C L O U D, on 11 November 2020 - 07:12 AM, said:

The issue of new players get curb stomped by groups of good players is not an issue with the soup, its an issue of new players being placed in T3 and therefore fair game for the MM to throw against T1 pilots.

It's not an "issue" when it was part of the design. The primary reason new players are started at T3 is specifically to put them in range of the T1 groups when putting together a match. Sure, it sucks for the new players, but nobody cares about them. They're not going to stay around very long, anyway. No, it's about making it fun for the organized, comp players.

Don't misunderstand, I think they should allow full 12 man premades into "QP." This 4 man half-assed stuff needs to go.

[Horseman]

East Indy, on 08 November 2020 - 12:10 PM, said:

"Bring a buddy" is good. A single 2-man on each team is probably fine, as many of us have said for years. Even better if they can br PSR balanced. And 4-mans really could use a workable venue. But I don't think Mixed Queue is the right place.

Unfortunately the way the game is right now, the Mixed Queue is the only venue they get. Scouting queue used to be a thing once, but is no more.