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[martian]

The next time post both the Mission Summary Team Table and the Mission Summary Player Table, please.

Without the Team table, it is impossible to judge your performance relative to the other players.

Posting only your personal stats is pointless.

account redo v1, on 06 December 2020 - 11:56 PM, said:

If I get 2 kills and 380 damage (we lost 4 to 12 kills), I shouldn't be losing psr at tier 3. I wouldn't mind if rank 5 has no issues finding matches, but it is troubling.

account redo v1, on 07 December 2020 - 12:44 AM, said:

That's not particularly nice. I'm merely bringing attention to an issue. And griping. It's stress relieving.

I figured I might get a response like this. It didn't occur to me to take a screenshot until after the match. But here's my current rank for the purpose of just posting a picture:

Not quite the same, but this is disheartening:

account redo v1, on 09 January 2021 - 04:35 PM, said:

Fresh off the presses:

Carpenocturn, on 10 January 2021 - 12:33 AM, said:

Here's my, Is the PSR rating system drunk? Picture. 12v11 loss at the final bell and I thought everyone in the team did really well but apparently not me.....

Carpenocturn, on 10 January 2021 - 12:46 AM, said:

To go with my earlier one, here's a 12v7 WIN that's apparently not good enough even though it was full on start to finish

[RockmachinE]

The psr as it is is far from ideal, but its pretty simple, if you're a decent pilot you'll get up to T1 easily. If not you're likely in the Tier you belong.

I often have the opposite issue, to many times I see PSR up and think to myself no way that was worth an increase, but there we are. You guys really gotta stop complaining about psr and just enjoy the game man.

[LordNothing]

id like to know if the psr threshold is floating or fixed and where it is if the latter. its probably floating though, based on the match the match average rather than the global average.

[Cherge]

in after multiple people use "skill" and "psr" in the same sentence.

so far, by far the most abusable build I found is 3x AMS KFX. You actually just stand behind your assaults and get free psr. Welcome to tier 1. I've had multiple games where I have under 100 damage dealt, no destroyed components, etc, and get an easy holy respectable green up arrow.

"but that doesn't sound fun!" Oh well.

"but good players can rank up in many builds" Well, ok. I guess. Too bad there are enough builds out there that require no skill outside of playing Call of duty for a couple weeks to understand how FPS games work.

"but you're not helping your team" lol, ok. I don't care.

[RockmachinE]

Cherge, on 10 January 2021 - 06:31 AM, said:

in after multiple people use "skill" and "psr" in the same sentence.

so far, by far the most abusable build I found is 3x AMS KFX. You actually just stand behind your assaults and get free psr. Welcome to tier 1. I've had multiple games where I have under 100 damage dealt, no destroyed components, etc, and get an easy holy respectable green up arrow.

"but that doesn't sound fun!" Oh well.

"but good players can rank up in many builds" Well, ok. I guess. Too bad there are enough builds out there that require no skill outside of playing Call of duty for a couple weeks to understand how FPS games work.

"but you're not helping your team" lol, ok. I don't care.

So you play MWO to fill up the Tier bar?

Edited by Louis Brofist, 10 January 2021 - 07:34 AM.

[RickySpanish]

Cherge, on 10 January 2021 - 06:31 AM, said:

in after multiple people use "skill" and "psr" in the same sentence.

so far, by far the most abusable build I found is 3x AMS KFX. You actually just stand behind your assaults and get free psr. Welcome to tier 1. I've had multiple games where I have under 100 damage dealt, no destroyed components, etc, and get an easy holy respectable green up arrow.

"but that doesn't sound fun!" Oh well.

"but good players can rank up in many builds" Well, ok. I guess. Too bad there are enough builds out there that require no skill outside of playing Call of duty for a couple weeks to understand how FPS games work.

"but you're not helping your team" lol, ok. I don't care.

As long as you enjoy it though, it's fine. PSR isn't a "progress bar" as such, but yeah of course people are going to look for ways to raise it at any cost. This is a game, afterall.

[Vlad Ward]

LordNothing, on 10 January 2021 - 04:57 AM, said:

id like to know if the psr threshold is floating or fixed and where it is if the latter. its probably floating though, based on the match the match average rather than the global average.

Why wonder? It's literally right there over in the Announcements section of the forums. There are several threads discussing this, collecting feedback regarding multiple approaches, and containing results after live testing.

https://mwomercs.com...ity-version-10/

It's based on your performance relative to all 23 other players in the match.

[ImperialKnight]

The PSR system is perfect and there's nothing wrong whatsoever

[Aidan Crenshaw]

that alone - as often said before - doesn't say anything about why you see that red arrow. Btw. -2 or -24 PSR, the arrow looks the same. How do you judge if this wasn't only a minor decrease? Right, you analyse the teamstats tab. If you can't do it yourself, we can help you here.

[Dozer6]

Knight Captain Morgan, on 08 December 2020 - 07:58 AM, said:

PGI could move some MC by selling tier placements to pilots who don’t feel their psr/tier level is correct. Say the same cost as a name change, people could change their tier level.

Good god no!!!

[crazytimes]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 11 February 2021 - 03:35 AM, said:

that alone - as often said before - doesn't say anything about why you see that red arrow. Btw. -2 or -24 PSR, the arrow looks the same. How do you judge if this wasn't only a minor decrease? Right, you analyse the teamstats tab. If you can't do it yourself, we can help you here.

People griping about PSR will *never* post the match score sheet. They will claim everything from the dog ate the screenshots to the recording was corrupted by Khorn himself, then drawn into the warp. Never will they just post a screenshot and admit they didn't understand the maths.

[Wolfos31]

crazytimes, on 12 February 2021 - 01:44 PM, said:

People griping about PSR will *never* post the match score sheet. They will claim everything from the dog ate the screenshots to the recording was corrupted by Khorn himself, then drawn into the warp. Never will they just post a screenshot and admit they didn't understand the maths.

I've noticed. It's pretty funny really. "How can I go down in PSR after doing 500 in damage!"

"Did you destroy any components? Kill any mechs? Scouting? UAV kills? No? Just 500 damage? That's nice, but may not be worth much."

Also worth noting that being tier 1 isn't a "goal". The skill gap between lower tier 1 and upper tier 1 is large. The goal is to have fun. But people worry about their PSR level a bunch.

[LowSubmarino]

account redo v1, on 06 December 2020 - 11:56 PM, said:

If I get 2 kills and 380 damage (we lost 4 to 12 kills), I shouldn't be losing psr at tier 3. I wouldn't mind if rank 5 has no issues finding matches, but it is troubling.

You can easily get 380 dmg and 2 kills with one arty strike, a few landed shots and 2 stolen kills but all in all you basically didnt contribute beyond that one arty strike in terms of dmg.

Not saying that happened. Not saying thats what you did, but you will get punished in terms of your psr rating and earned money if your team loses. The reasons is that team play has the greatest effect on winning and thus giving you higher ratings and more cbills.

All in all, 380 dmg is only impressive, if it translates to many components destroyed and cored mechs. 380 is only good if you actually did somethign with it. If you soloed one or two mechs and thats how you got that dmg, by actually killing 2 fresh mechs by yourself then thats pretty good but youll prolly still get a lower ranking. You only get ranked higher even in a loss if you do exceptionally well. 380 and 2 kills can be exceptional but its more likely that it was only spread dmg all over the place and 2 lucky kill shots. The rating sometimes doesnt reflect what actually happened.

One guy doing 380 with 2 kills could be a jedi master and soloed 2 fresh and bigger mechs and took them out by himself, crippling them with multiple components destroyed and the entirety of that 380 dmg was precise component dmg. And the other one getting the same 'stats' could have just landed a single arty strike with an additional 3 alphas blasted all over the placed and 2 lucky kill shots when other ppl actually did the work of shredding those killed mechs armor and you were just the one to land the final shots. That would be unimpressive. Doesnt mean its totally bad but its unimpressive.

If you get like 500 - 600 dmg, a number of components destroyed or even 3+ kills with that (or even more dmg, components and kills) you will get a higher ranking. even if you lose.

[ColourfulConfetti]

I can't say the PSR system now is perfect but it's a solid improvement over the previous system. Group drops do sometimes throw a wrench into the new matchmaking system on some occasions admittedly, but it's usually pretty fair. Just my two cents. ofc

Edited by ColourfulConfetti, 20 February 2021 - 01:41 AM.