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#41 Sug

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:01 AM

View PostPetroff Northrup, on 29 December 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

Ah swear thes noo, as one ay th' few northwin' highlanders still leal tae uir magnanimoos chancellur 'at Ah wulnae rest, Ah wulnae gonnae-no, Ah wulnae cease in th' barnie until Ah brin' every lest northwin' highlander back tae th' service ay uir beneficent leader by strikin' forth tae seize northwin' frae th' tyrannical davions, an' shoods e'en mah fellaw highlanders stain afair me, 'en Ah shaa allaw their deaths tae serve th' greater glory ay uir transcendental chancellur an' gie them a fittin' funeral fur sic' stoatin warriors oan northwin', ance it is again capellan soil. Ah swear thes noo tae th' capellan citizens, th' capllan confederation, an' th' chancellur ay aw th' inner sphaur, lit nane doobt mah will.


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#42 Max OConnor

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:10 AM

We haven't worked on a logo for Stuart's Highlanders, if anyone has suggestions, I can take that up with my artist to draft up.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:17 AM

View Postmaxoconnor, on 08 February 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:


The 3rd Kearny were wiped out along with Stuart's Highlanders way back when HOUSE DAVION TOOK Northwind :o from the Confederation and killed off our women and children whom the 3rd Kearny were guarding.




This would make more sense for a Liao friendly Kearny Unit not garrisoned on Northwind. When the NWH returned and garrisoned Northwind, you and your compatriots that refused to work for Davion, left the 2nd and stayed with the Capellans and renamed yourselves the 3rd Kearny in remembrance.

Makes sense if you think about it.. :)

#44 Max OConnor

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:46 AM

View PostChuckie, on 08 February 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:


This would make more sense for a Liao friendly Kearny Unit not garrisoned on Northwind. When the NWH returned and garrisoned Northwind, you and your compatriots that refused to work for Davion, left the 2nd and stayed with the Capellans and renamed yourselves the 3rd Kearny in remembrance.

Makes sense if you think about it.. :)


I like it, except for the big freaking tattoo of the 2nd Kearny on my arm............. :o
Gotta stick with my 2nd Kearny, even if I have to be surrounded by a bunch of wet behind the ears kids who think House Davion is their friend. Once my boy Jaffrey comes around, he will get yer heads right and tell Davion to shove off. Till then I'll garrison my plot of land over here on Kearny and shoot any of you dang kids who gets on my lawn.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:54 PM

I agree with my brother Maxoconnor, Davion's are mangy dog's led by a boy king who have as much honor as an English Lord. I fight for a free Northwind and Independence for all of our brothers.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:01 PM

View PostWilliam Wallace, on 28 February 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

I agree with my brother Maxoconnor, Davion's are mangy dog's led by a boy king who have as much honor as an English Lord. I fight for a free Northwind and Independence for all of our brothers.


Your realize that your homeworld of Northwind was gifted to the Highlanders by Hanse Davion in order to secure their services for the 4th Succession War against House Liao right?

You got paid to fight. Your world is yours, free and clear BECAUSE of House Davion.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:23 AM

Yeah right, thats why the AFFS posted watchdog units on Northwind. :D

#48 Max OConnor

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:21 AM

View PostSMDMadCow, on 28 February 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:


Your realize that your homeworld of Northwind was gifted to the Highlanders by Hanse Davion in order to secure their services for the 4th Succession War against House Liao right?

You got paid to fight. Your world is yours, free and clear BECAUSE of House Davion.

We got paid to defend the Capellan Confederation too yet we skipped out on them when we were offered Northwind, whats your point? :D
And it wasn't free and clear, as the Highlander civil war would tell you. We had Davion watchdogs overseeing our freedom.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 05:59 AM

View Postmaxoconnor, on 29 February 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

We got paid to defend the Capellan Confederation too yet we skipped out on them when we were offered Northwind, whats your point? B)
And it wasn't free and clear, as the Highlander civil war would tell you. We had Davion watchdogs overseeing our freedom.


I knew they would get you started :D

BTW as for Clan Stuart - They are a true Highlander Clan dating back to the 12th century..

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You could start there :P

Edited by Chuckie, 29 February 2012 - 06:00 AM.


#50 Max OConnor

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:18 AM

Yea, well we in the 2nd Kearny are IRISH, :D

First found in County Meath and County Clare where O'Kearney were chiefs of Avon-Ui-Cearney or O'Kearny's RIver, a district about Six-Mile-Bridge, in the baronied of Tulla and Bunratty.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:43 AM

View Postmaxoconnor, on 29 February 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

Yea, well we in the 2nd Kearny are IRISH, :D


Maybe thats where the true division lies and the real reason behind the Civil war..

It wasn't Capellan vs Davion.. it really boils down to Irish vs Scottish..

and as we all know


Edited by Chuckie, 29 February 2012 - 06:44 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:55 AM

I shall hire myself to the highest bidder but honor demands that we do not ally ourself's with any selfserving House since our hertiage isn't to the capellens but to the StarLegue itself. We are one of the few units that can trace our hertiage back to the days of glory and honor for all.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:46 AM

View PostWilliam Wallace, on 02 March 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

I shall hire myself to the highest bidder but honor demands that we do not ally ourself's with any selfserving House since our hertiage isn't to the capellens but to the StarLegue itself. We are one of the few units that can trace our hertiage back to the days of glory and honor for all.


During the SL era 4 regiments of Highlanders went into self-imposed exile in CC because of disputes with the Northwind elders about joining CC partiallylike Tikonov was. Of course the self-imposed exile quickly went to a real exile for 200 years once Northwind fell to the Davions and then they became a FedCom auxiliary unit which ended up leading to disputes with Davions. i recently reread the NWH source book, the closest Northwind has ever come to true independace is post-Highlander Civil war were they are a barony of CC which is pretty much boils down to answering calls to arms and celebrating the Chancellors birthday with fireworks.

Edited by Petroff Northrup, 07 March 2012 - 09:46 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:40 PM

That explanation does sort of tie up all the loose ends, they were NOT Mercs in service to House Liao, but they were never definitively described as House Troops, and if they had an agreement with House Liao about reclaiming Northwind and they finally gave up on trying, I could see going well, you aren't holding up your end of our bargain so neither will we. Personally I would have them work for House Liao obviously but that back-story does cover all the ambiguity.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 07:07 AM

I'd like to interject my 2 cents worth here.
1. I like Liao, always have always will, now that being said what drew me most to House Liao in the first place was the Northwind Highlanders, so when they leave I have to go with them but I'd like to point a few things out for those WE LOVE HOUSE DAVION players.

According to the latest revived and rectonned back story, which I can agree wtih mostly here is what happened in a nutshell for the Highlanders.

Northwind was colonized by remnants of the Stuart Clan, they formed a standing self defense force called the Northwind Highlanders.
At some point the majority of those Highlanders had a HUGE falling out with the Clan Elders, so they left for Liao space leaving only the 3rd Kearny Highlanders and Stuart's Highlanders on planet. This of course is a HUGE plot hole since the 3rd Kearny would have been formed well before the 1st or 2nd Kearney but that's neither here nor there.
House Davion comes in and wipes out the 3rd Kearny and Stuart's Highlanders thereby taking over Northwind. Meanwhile over in Liao space the Highlanders have come to an *agreement* with the Capellans, we will work for you but you have to try to help us take back our homeworld, so in a sense they were Mercenaries while at the same time not really true mercs in the sense of their primary motivation. This explains the grey area where we were listed as House Units in the original House Liao book, and later stated to be Mercs. They were not being paid money for services rendered, they were being supplied as a House unit and sent on missions for House Liao with the promise that Liao will get around to freeing Northwind.

While in service to House Liao the 1st and 2nd Kearny are formed, according to the 2nd Kearny's origin, they were formed from miners on Kearny, not the planet in Marik space but the southern continent on Northwind. This would imply that there was still much communication between the Highlanders and their friends and family back on Northwind. The Highlanders are a tight knit family so it would make sense for them to have pulled relatives from back home to come join the military forces currently located in Liao space.

The Northwind Highlanders serve House Liao for over 200 years, there is no way the Highlanders would have or could have remained completely separate from the Capellans they worked with, married, served and lived with. They were Capellans in every way that counted yet still considered themselves a part of Northwind as well.

During the 4th succession war House Davion approached the leadership of the NWH and said, we will give you back Northwind IF you come home now and don't interfere in our fight with House Liao. Now after 200 plus years of promising to get Northwind back and never fulfilling that promise, I can fully understand them saying "well boys, House Liao never held up their end of our bargain and all we ever wanted was Northwind back, so I say we bail and go home."

This action would not have been as simple as many people think because of all of the friends and relatives they had to leave behind and all of the people that died because the Highlanders left their post in the middle of a war. This was even documented in one of the novels in a flashback where MacLeod and the other regimental commanders all met to discuss leaving. There were many Highlanders who decided that staying and protecting the people that were their family in the confederation was more important than leaving for a planet they had never seen. To say these people are NOT Highlanders is an insult frankly.

Honor and duty are not always an easy thing to choose between. Even MacLeod understood these Capellan loyalists were still Highlanders, they only felt their duty lay in a different place. They were not against the Highlanders or their choice to leave. Both sides agreed to disagree and part as friends.

After returning home to Northwind, the clans were finally reunited and the Highlanders set about making their home. They did not participate in many fights during the last bits of the 4th succession war since they were rebuilding and reuniting with family and loved ones.

Shortly after moving home, they discovered what House Davion's idea of independence really was, you are free to listen to what we have to tell you and then you are free to do as you are told. Even the planetary leaders were Davion appointees with oversight capability. House Davion began to take away the carrot in favor of the stick more or less.

Enter Loren Jaffrey, a decedent of one of the Highlander's who stayed behind in House Liao when the Highlanders left. He was tasked by Sun-Tzu Liao to deny the Highlanders to House Davion or destroy them. Welcomed back personally by William MacLeod, Lorren was reunited with his Highlander family.
Again, once a Highlander, Always a Highlander.

Dissatisfaction with House Davion rule helped to spark a civil war between a younger generation that had grown up on Northwind under House Davion rule and many of the old timers who came from House Liao back to Northwind for their supposed independence. There would not have been a civil war if all of the Highlanders were happy being under House Davion's thumb. The anti-Davion side won the civil war and the Highlanders then as they have before in the past, welcomed back into the fold those Highlanders who just a few hours before had been shooting at them. Highlanders are always Highlanders no matter who they serve or where they live.

After finally throwing off House Davion's yoke, the Highlanders were finally, truly independent, and ironically, House Liao did in the end fulfill their promise to restore Northwind to the Highlander's free and clear because it was First Lord Sun-Tzu Liao who officially recognized Northwind's independence to the rest of the inner sphere, even going so far as to promise Capellan forces to defend this freedom. House Davion was forced to recognize this as well or look like the hypocrites they are, as they tout how they are all about freedom and free will.

Do not find fault with those of us who still hold a warm spot in our heart for the Confederation because they housed us, supported us and in the end did return Northwind to us. And never forget it was the Davion's who took Northwind from us in the first place and sought to keep us under their boot when we challenged them for our right to self governance.

We are now independent and can choose who we work for but please don't expect many of us Capellan sympathizers to swallow the House Davion is our friend cool aid because they are not. Only Highlander's truly look out for Highlanders in the end. We have to trust only ourselves and keep all others at arms length.

I hope this was informative and constructive in reconciling the different viewpoints on Highlander history and loyalties.
MechWarrior O'Connor signing off........

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:03 PM

If you guys are still trying to form up, please count me in. I just left the NWH group. WAY too much drama.
I'm ready with some kick butt logos and art skills to make this work.
Please hit me up so I can join.
Looking forward to serving with my fellow Capellans.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:29 AM

View Postmaxoconnor, on 12 March 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

I'd like to interject my 2 cents worth here.
1. I like Liao, always have always will, now that being said what drew me most to House Liao in the first place was the Northwind Highlanders, so when they leave I have to go with them but I'd like to point a few things out for those WE LOVE HOUSE DAVION players.

During the 4th succession war House Davion approached the leadership of the NWH and said, we will give you back Northwind IF you come home now and don't interfere in our fight with House Liao. Now after 200 plus years of promising to get Northwind back and never fulfilling that promise, I can fully understand them saying "well boys, House Liao never held up their end of our bargain and all we ever wanted was Northwind back, so I say we bail and go home."

This action would not have been as simple as many people think because of all of the friends and relatives they had to leave behind and all of the people that died because the Highlanders left their post in the middle of a war. This was even documented in one of the novels in a flashback where MacLeod and the other regimental commanders all met to discuss leaving. There were many Highlanders who decided that staying and protecting the people that were their family in the confederation was more important than leaving for a planet they had never seen. To say these people are NOT Highlanders is an insult frankly.

Honor and duty are not always an easy thing to choose between. Even MacLeod understood these Capellan loyalists were still Highlanders, they only felt their duty lay in a different place. They were not against the Highlanders or their choice to leave. Both sides agreed to disagree and part as friends.

After returning home to Northwind, the clans were finally reunited and the Highlanders set about making their home. They did not participate in many fights during the last bits of the 4th succession war since they were rebuilding and reuniting with family and loved ones.


I hope this was informative and constructive in reconciling the different viewpoShortly after moving home, they discovered what House Davion's idea of independence really was, you are free to listen to what we have to tell you and then you are free to do as you are told. Even the planetary leaders were Davion appointees with oversight capability. House Davion began to take away the carrot in favor of the stick more or less.

Enter Loren Jaffrey, a decedent of one of the Highlander's who stayed behind in House Liao when the Highlanders left. He was tasked by Sun-Tzu Liao to deny the Highlanders to House Davion or destroy them. Welcomed back personally by William MacLeod, Lorren was reunited with his Highlander family.
Again, once a Highlander, Always a Highlander.

Dissatisfaction with House Davion rule helped to spark a civil war between a younger generation that had grown up on Northwind under House Davion rule and many of the old timers who came from House Liao back to Northwind for their supposed independence. There would not have been a civil war if all of the Highlanders were happy being under House Davion's thumb. The anti-Davion side won the civil war and the Highlanders then as they have before in the past, welcomed back into the fold those Highlanders who just a few hours before had been shooting at them. Highlanders are always Highlanders no matter who they serve or where they live.

After finally throwing off House Davion's yoke, the Highlanders were finally, truly independent, and ironically, House Liao did in the end fulfill their promise to restore Northwind to the Highlander's free and clear because it was First Lord Sun-Tzu Liao who officially recognized Northwind's independence to the rest of the inner sphere, even going so far as to promise Capellan forces to defend this freedom. House Davion was forced to recognize this as well or look like the hypocrites they are, as they tout how they are all about freedom and free will.

Do not find fault with those of us who still hold a warm spot in our heart for the Confederation because they housed us, supported us and in the end did return Northwind to us. And never forget it was the Davion's who took Northwind from us in the first place and sought to keep us under their boot when we challenged them for our right to self governance.

We are now independent and can choose who we work for but please don't expect many of us Capellan sympathizers to swallow the House Davion is our friend cool aid because they are not. Only Highlander's truly look out for Highlanders in the end. We have to trust only ourselves and keep all others at arms length.
ints on Highlander history and loyalties.
MechWarrior O'Connor signing off........


Very well written up. And I think you got to the heart of the matter with independence. That is what the Highlanders have always been after. We don't want anyone telling us what to do. We and the Eridani Light Horse are basically all that remains of the true star league (Black Watch FTW). My biggest problem with anyone who has a loyalty to a great house is that we don't want to be under anyone's control. We became mercenaries because we felt we had to after the Star league fell and in doing so lost much of our independence, we've been fighting to get it back ever since. Besides most of the Houses have screwed us anyways:

Liao screwed us (Never made and effort to recapture Northwind and the Cappelans left the Highlanders out to dry on Jonathan and Ningpo at the start of the Fourth Succession war, which led to the highlanders senior clan elder contacting the AFFS)

Davion Screwed us (Promised us independence and northwind, but really wanted an elite force to secure the Terran corridor of the FedCom, stranded us on the Clan border while promising to a return to Northwind "soon')

The Lyrans screwed us (Sent the Third Royal RCT to destroy us on Northwind.)

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:22 AM

View PostAlpha Six, on 05 June 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Liao screwed us (Never made and effort to recapture Northwind and the Cappelans left the Highlanders out to dry on Jonathan and Ningpo at the start of the Fourth Succession war, which led to the highlanders senior clan elder contacting the AFFS)


We fulfilled our promise. The independence movement against AFFC was sparked by Sun Tzu's plan on getting back Northwind by sending a Death Commando with Northwind roots there to start it and when you revolted (as max already said), he acknowledged your independence. :P

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:55 AM

View PostAdridos, on 05 June 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:


We fulfilled our promise. The independence movement against AFFC was sparked by Sun Tzu's plan on getting back Northwind by sending a Death Commando with Northwind roots there to start it and when you revolted (as max already said), he acknowledged your independence. :P


I respect Sun Tzu and appreciate his acknowledgement. It the previous Chancellor's and his sister that I have a problem with. ;) Though I did hear this pesky rumor that the original plan was to destroy the highlanders...but i"m sure that never crossed his mind. :ph34r:

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:03 PM

View PostAlpha Six, on 05 June 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

Though I did hear this pesky rumor that the original plan was to destroy the highlanders...but i"m sure that never crossed his mind. :o


Only if there were no Highlanders left, only Davion slaves (you fought the civil war against). :D

Edited by Adridos, 05 June 2012 - 12:04 PM.






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