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[The pessimistic optimist]

Seeing more people taking AMS on there builds. You don't need enough AMS too shoot everything down. If you can take half there missiles they will be at a serous disadvantage. Missiles are the best way to shred armor quickly that. There are hard counters. Just nice to people using the tools the game gives them.

Edited by SirSmokes, 30 December 2020 - 07:09 AM.

[martian]

The majority of my 'Mechs is not equipped with AMS. I prefer having more ammo, heat sinks or armor. I think that LRMs can be mitigated significantly by good positioning, suitable tactics and other factors.

[The pessimistic optimist]

martian, on 30 December 2020 - 07:38 AM, said:

The majority of my 'Mechs is not equipped with AMS. I prefer having more ammo, heat sinks or armor. I think that LRMs can be mitigated significantly by good positioning, suitable tactics and other factors.

Yes true but people are using it and that also nice and it can be useful

[JediPanther]

Events always bring out the m boats and ecms. Ams is a good way to add to your score without having to do anything. And as a m boat user who prefers m boats due to crappy ping it means I have to drop ammo for extra equipment to counter all the ecms and more ams and really focus on positioning more than shooting.

A single group of one corsair,nova and ams kfox will shut down m boats really easy so always have at least one laser and a strike so you can do some thing beside be a free kill.

M boating is also the easiest way to skill up a no skill mech to 91.

[The pessimistic optimist]

JediPanther, on 30 December 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:

Events always bring out the m boats and ecms. Ams is a good way to add to your score without having to do anything. And as a m boat user who prefers m boats due to crappy ping it means I have to drop ammo for extra equipment to counter all the ecms and more ams and really focus on positioning more than shooting.

A single group of one corsair,nova and ams kfox will shut down m boats really easy so always have at least one laser and a strike so you can do some thing beside be a free kill.

M boating is also the easiest way to skill up a no skill mech to 91.

I just play what ever works and what I feel like

[ShiverMeRivets]

martian, on 30 December 2020 - 07:38 AM, said:

The majority of my 'Mechs is not equipped with AMS. I prefer having more ammo, heat sinks or armor. I think that LRMs can be mitigated significantly by good positioning, suitable tactics and other factors.

It’s not for LRMs, it is against ATMs. There seem to be a surge in their use recently and they can really hurt.
The nice thing about AMS is that their benefit is cumulative, so the more of them around the more you invalidate any lock-on missile build. Seeing a stream of atms/lrms completely disappear in small clouds of poofs is satisfying.
Eat your heart out meta Veagle!

Edited by ShiverMeRivets, 30 December 2020 - 10:19 AM.

[LordNothing]

unless i can boat at least a couple i dont instal them. unless my planned build comes up a little short and i have spare tonnage+slots.

[Bede19002]

What’s the way to position yourself to avoid LRMs?

[JediPanther]

Bede19002, on 30 December 2020 - 10:21 AM, said:

What’s the way to position yourself to avoid LRMs?

Behind a big rock or hug the low ground and move side ways as lrms and atms have an arc to hit the ground. Buildings work too. Once you figure out where the m boat is and their arc is you can just move out of it side ways. Going forward or back might just keep you in the boat's range and max range for most mechs is 1035m with a dead zone on is boats at 179m and under.

If all else fails hug the enemy and hope they eat a lot of team damage.

[Swamp Butt]

From both the LRM boats perspective, and the guy that runs AMS... I am both a player who does not stand around very much, if at all. Sometimes I do, even then it's rare.

As a LURM boat, facing enemies with ECM coverage, non-los targeting takes fracking forever!
As a LURM boat facing a lot of AMS, well, simply put, it's a sucky round in the end.
As a guy with ECM, I am happy to help prevent locks while maneuvering for the kill, sometimes you have to hit open ground, and take a few for the team.
As far as AMS, it's nice to have when your rushing the said LRM boat to knock it out. lol... I carry it, and always will regardless on game type. FP included, just one AMS and a ton of AMMO for every mech that has a slot, and it helps the team, and your end round score overall. There is always that one pilot who runs LURM, some are better than other, but, there is always that one.

[Xmith]

AMS increases after match payout. This is the main reason I use it. Radar Dep and cover still works fine without AMS. If you want more after match payout, run with AMS.

[Heavy Money]

I got 3 friends into the game earlier in Dec and they've been slowly improving. They didn't like getting LRMed as noobs, and most have chosen to get into mechs with lots of AMS as a result, even though they are better now and don't strictly need it. 2 have Corsair-7A's, one also has a kitfox and nova. And we all run Jesters regularly. So we're often bringing some combo of 6-10 AMS in our lance.

When we're not running massive amounts of AMS, they often like to run LRM parties. They're gradually learning to be good with ballistics now, but it's been funny being on both sides of the AMS.

Even just a couple months ago, I rarely saw AMS boats. Now it seems like there's a Corsair or Kitfox pretty much every match.

Remember, if you're bothering to run an AMS, get the AMS Overload skills. They nearly double the effectiveness!

Edited by Heavy Money, 30 December 2020 - 01:55 PM.

[LordNothing]

Bede19002, on 30 December 2020 - 10:21 AM, said:

What’s the way to position yourself to avoid LRMs?

about 100 meters in front of the lerm boat, guns blazing.

[FinnMcKool]

sometimes i like to play pure support, in that case i like the mechs with 2 or more AMS,

it's just a way to make the game different from time to time

an Assault mech may be able to cause so much damage but
sometimes they need a little protection, from missiles, lites whatnot.

ya you get no reward, no Glory , but it can sometimes be fun.

and the real goal is winning the match, or in my head i think like that.

[Flyby215]

Good positioning and awareness is the best method to fight missiles; though I suck at both. I tend to favour my Corsair 7A, or triple AMS Nova/Kit Fox when missiles are abound; three mechs I know I've played a decent amount this month.

I was saved by a dual-AMS Phoenix Hawk last weekend. I foolishly tried to run back and rescue a friendly assault left behind by nascar (I should know better by now than to do that...) and got caught very exposed to an ATM Vapor Eagle. Nearby Phoenix Hawk picked off a good chunk of the ATMs for me, and I got away with a sliver of my mech left. Survived the match, terrible score though.

[crazytimes]

It's just an event thing.

I took out the kit fox on Grim Plexus, and the other team had that little missiles of any sort I finished with ~9850 of my 9900 rounds. They must have one dude with SRMs and that was it.

This is what the people whinging about AMS padding PSR don't get- for every big AMS match, there's a bunch of mediocre, and a handful of almost 0 input.

[Elizander]

AMS = Armor. If you're stuffing your survival tree to the brim and don't take an AMS I don't know what to tell you.

crazytimes, on 30 December 2020 - 03:06 PM, said:

It's just an event thing.

I took out the kit fox on Grim Plexus, and the other team had that little missiles of any sort I finished with ~9850 of my 9900 rounds. They must have one dude with SRMs and that was it.

This is what the people whinging about AMS padding PSR don't get- for every big AMS match, there's a bunch of mediocre, and a handful of almost 0 input.

The sweet spot for noticeable PSR gains seems to be at around 300-350 missiles shot down. I noticed games where I did crap but shot down over 300 missiles and it ended up with neutral or positive PSR even with like 130 damage done.

Edited by Elizander, 31 December 2020 - 05:36 AM.

[General Solo]

With bad hit reg long range dps overkill can over come most things
Even ams
Or multiple AMS

Just give it enough time
A rock stops all dat doh

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 31 December 2020 - 06:44 AM.

[Bigbacon]

been having fun with stealth and AMS trying to position myself near the LRM boats so my AMS starts shooting missiles down as they leave. if standing behind them didn't mess up with ability to aim I would park there.

[martian]

FinnMcKool, on 30 December 2020 - 02:45 PM, said:

...
ya you get no reward
...

No, you get reward: Every enemy missile destroyed by your AMS improves your Match Score.