I know, I can already almost hear some MWO Forum players counter that it's their given "right" to have same level playing field as paid/premium players. Not.
I've paid a fair amount of money into this game (see the red Overlord star under my avatar), and I say that no I should not have objectively stronger stats because of it. Pay-2-Win is bad and you should feel bad. Other games having it doesn't mean we should. Go play shady mobile games if you want that.
I've paid a fair amount of money into this game (see the red Overlord star under my avatar), and I say that no I should not have objectively stronger stats because of it. Pay-2-Win is bad and you should feel bad. Other games having it doesn't mean we should. Go play shady mobile games if you want that.
Indeed MWO is a free to pay with no pay to win. If you get some good mechs make some good build and play them right you can do well as anyone else
Indeed MWO is a free to pay with no pay to win. If you get some good mechs make some good build and play them right you can do well as anyone else
I mean, this game did have some P2W at points when certain hero mechs were objectively OP (like Deathstrike) and during the Clan invasion when Clan tech just curbstomped the quirkless IS mechs into dust. Even today some hero mechs are a bit borderline but all in all I am still grateful that MWO did not monetize itself like a mobile game.
People are a bit deluded here.. I would not call 4111 players all time a good thing.. That is a crazy tiny player base.. And only 800 a day playing compared to hundreds of thousands in other games.. Some with millions.
Yeah no.
Obviously the prices of the items in this game aren't holding customers over time.. May barely keep the lights on but now content has dried up how long will that last.
Star Trek Online is a purely PvE game in practice. PvP technically exists but only 3 people play it. The "Winning" you pay for in that game is the ability to obliterate stupidly easy AI horde content faster than the other guy. If that was actually an arena PvP game it would've shut down years ago with how colossally P2W the system is.
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Vlad Ward, on 30 January 2021 - 07:27 PM, said:
Star Trek Online is a purely PvE game in practice. PvP technically exists but only 3 people play it. The "Winning" you pay for in that game is the ability to obliterate stupidly easy AI horde content faster than the other guy. If that was actually an arena PvP game it would've shut down years ago with how colossally P2W the system is.
That's $4 million a month, so a year is about $48 million.
That robot you see is going to be put in a low odds, random loot box. You are not going to spend $30 to $50. You will likely spend $200 to $500 or more.
Any game that puts content on a random loot box or gacha will cost you far far more than anything you will spend on MWO.
Despite this, these games thrive because they continue to issue new content and market their game.
Personally I would stay clear from any game with gacha or loot box, these are good indicators that you are likely to be frustrated if you are not prepared to pay for better gaming experience.......
That's $4 million a month, so a year is about $48 million.
That robot you see is going to be put in a low odds, random loot box. You are not going to spend $30 to $50. You will likely spend $200 to $500 or more.
Any game that puts content on a random loot box or gacha will cost you far far more than anything you will spend on MWO.
Despite this, these games thrive because they continue to issue new content and market their game.
Never heard about any of them games before but you proved they exist
Seems like a new genre
Games for suckers, ones born every minute
General Solo, on 31 January 2021 - 08:36 AM, said:
Never heard about any of them games before but you proved they exist
Seems like a new genre
Games for suckers, ones born every minute
You probably live under a rock if you never heard of Fate Grand Order, a game that has grossed more than the last two Avengers movies. This franchise has a number of series in Netflix and is considered a legend in anime circles.
Genshin Impact made more than $200 million in the first month it was introduced, and is one of the most highly streamed games.
I don't need to prove these games exist when they are mainstream, along with hundreds of others.
They have been around for years. This isn't a new genre. This is the mainstream and it has been this way for years.
Look at all the games with the loot boxes like FIFA or Star Wars Battlefront II.
And of course, I would recommend people to stay clear of them.
Games that do not rely on loot boxes, they are now an increasingly smaller minority, and even some of these games are experimenting with loot boxes.
Not all loot boxes are pay to win. In many games it is cosmetic, but it is the cosmetic that drives the players passion of the game. In the end, you will still find yourself easily spending hundreds on a game.
Another dubious game monetization method is the DLC. They sell you a game around $60 to $80. But it turns out the game you bought is minimal. To add content to the game you are going to pay for additional packages called DLCs. When you add up all the DLCs, they can amount to thousands of dollars.
As a student and observer of the game industry, I noticed that more and more game companies are focusing less and less with the F2P player, and more and more on the Pay Player, even if paying players represent only a minority of the player base. They are willing to lose much of their F2P players if they can focus on a base of paying players even if your total player numbers end up lower.
What you see on games right now is merely a digitization of what's on the table top gaming industry where people has been spending fortunes on card games like Magic the Gathering, Dungeons and Dragons, Yugioh and Pokemon card games. Even the idea of the loot box comes from the booster pack. The gacha comes from gachapon vending machines where you dump a coin to get a package with a random item on it used for games.
Gamings a casual hobby / past time for me Mr Game Scientist
Any game that seems bad value for money, or pay to win gets ignored by me for reasons of logic and my wallet
So they don't exist as far as I am concerned
If the games good and my type of game I look into it
For example Eve Online, population suggests its a good game, that can be expensive but is not my cup of tea, so I know of its existence but beyond that don't care about.
The games you mentioned didn't pop up on my radar for similar reasons
I don't need to know about all the crap games out their, the market is flooded by crap games
Good games are rare and my focus
Those other games meh whatever.
Their are better free to play games that cost less, like fornight or so I hear, but I'm getting to old for sweaty gameplay to try it out my self
Edited by General Solo, 31 January 2021 - 07:37 PM.
General Solo, on 31 January 2021 - 07:32 PM, said:
Live under a rock lol
I live down under
Gamings a casual hobby / past time for me Mr Game Scientist
Any game that seems bad value for money, or pay to win gets ignored by me for reasons of logic and my wallet
So they don't exist as far as I am concerned
If the games good and my type of game I look into it
For example Eve Online, population suggests its a good game, that can be expensive but is not my cup of tea, so I know of its existence but beyond that don't care about.
The games you mentioned didn't pop up on my radar for similar reasons
I don't need to know about all the crap games out their, the market is flooded by crap games
Good games are rare and my focus
Those other games meh whatever.
Their are better free to play games that cost less, like fornight or so I hear, but I'm getting to old for sweaty gameplay to try it out my self
Population on EVE Online is small, when you compare that to other online games. There is some reasons why the company is sold to its current Korean owners and it never made enough money to finish its spin offs. Despite all the hype about its PvP, much of the time you spend on EVE Online is pretty mundane and boring, mining and ratting (farming NPCs). But for all its worth, if you like low intensity activity, EVE Online excels as a game for chilling out.
As a group, MMOs have been trending downwards for a while until the covid thing hit.
The smaller the game, the more money you need to extract from your smaller player base to make money. A huge player base like Fortnite requires far less for player.
Many games including the whale games like Fate Grand Order and Genshin Impact takes a multi-path approach.
A Free to Play progression path. Sometimes this is not obvious, but if you have sufficient game knowledge, you will find it. However this tends to take much grind.
A Whale progression path.
And paths somewhere in between which most players will follow.
Games need money like you need oxygen to survive. The amount of money whales put in allows the game to subsidize the F2P. However in some games, the F2P becomes the fresh meat the whales thrive on. If the F2P players move on, the game continues to advertise and market for new players to become fresh new meat, but some of these players become new sets of whales as well.
If games are single player like FGO that allows players to share assets, or single player-coop like Genshin Impact, whales an carry your party if you have underleveled undergeared players. So P2W isn't that bad from the coop perspective because its non predatory. The worst experience you will feel is not defeat but envy because this guy has the cool gear and the cool skin. This is what allows gacha games to thrive, and why there is a tidal shift back to high quality single player games with coop, i.e. Genshin Impact. In return, these games also give you excellent character and narrative development, great artwork and sound tracks, and sometimes awesome maps. Compared to online games that rely on PvP, SP/coop games rely heavily on constant and frequent content turnovers as they need to keep their player base interested, or the game gets stale quickly. In so doing, they are creating new franchises or even reviving old ones before.
Another trend is the rise of the hypercasual. This game is among the biggest hits in the last few years.
Breakout hit Genshin Impact released in the fall of 2020 shows there is market for high quality old school RPGs with coop end game despite the ghoulish monetization. It shows you that people are willing to pay, and pay much, for something with matching quality. It is also another breakout against online PvP games or single player games with a PvP end game.
This trailer happened to be generated using the game engine itself. The game looks exactly like this trailer.
In order to succeed, new games have to meet ever higher standards in game play and presentation. this game will look like this when it is played.
So for an individual player, if you shop around you may find the game you are looking for. But lets go back to PGI and the Mechwarrior franchise, do you feel they have the creative gumption to take the franchise to next decade and attract new players that never heard of Battletech or Mechwarrior?
IV4 is P2W, with massive quirks for mobility, armor, and firepower. I really don't understand how they never nerfed it, especially after MRMs were introduced.
IV4 is an outlier though. The CP-S is also a great mech, but not really P2W.
Fainting Goat, on 31 January 2021 - 09:15 PM, said:
IV4 is P2W, with massive quirks for mobility, armor, and firepower. I really don't understand how they never nerfed it, especially after MRMs were introduced.
IV4 is an outlier though. The CP-S is also a great mech, but not really P2W.
There are no pay to win mechs there good but there not unbeatable. P2W for me is when something so strong you have to have it to compete. IV4 is very strong but it not like if you don't own one you are at such a disadvantage you can never win
Virtually everything in MWO is available to a player without spending a nickel, just time.
Good hunting,
CFC Conky
That is a yes and no. The new mech introduced could be quite different at different time. PGI has a track record of releasing USD only mech for limited time, and nerf them when they become available in MC/C-Bills.
The key is, you are unable to enjoy the pre-nerf version of the mech without paying (where those pay could enjoy it for a limited period), I would argue that is kind of P2W to a limited extent...
I know, I can already almost hear some MWO Forum players counter that it's their given "right" to have same level playing field as paid/premium players. Not.
Playing against others on an even field is what makes playing against others fun for me.
If you need/want p2w you are not much more then a cheater or the guy that pays a ****** to say "You have the biggest i have ever seen!" Poor guy!
Fainting Goat, on 31 January 2021 - 09:15 PM, said:
IV4 is P2W, with massive quirks for mobility, armor, and firepower. I really don't understand how they never nerfed it, especially after MRMs were introduced.
IV4 is an outlier though. The CP-S is also a great mech, but not really P2W.
The IV4 was a useless meme until MRMs came along, then it did a complete 180 and became a beast overnight.
There are no pay to win mechs there good but there not unbeatable. P2W for me is when something so strong you have to have it to compete. IV4 is very strong but it not like if you don't own one you are at such a disadvantage you can never win
Just wanna point out here that that's not what P2W means. P2W means you have a clear advantage. The advantage does not need to be insurmountable to be an advantage.
If for example MWO had "gold ammo" that could only be bought with MC and had a 10% higher crit chance than normal ammo then that would be P2W even though it would hardly be instant-win material. You wouldn't win instantly but over time you'd win a little bit more often because of the advantage.
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w0qj, on 30 January 2021 - 10:04 AM, said:
